you taking this (*)(*)(*)(*) too far

I am looking forward to it!

I had always thought that is what date rape was.

I think we can both agree with this and I think most rational people here would agree as well.

 

yes, date rape under those conditions is universally accepted as date rape.... the problem is, not everyone agrees with the bottom part that excludes women from any accountability once alcohol touches her lips, even if she did it to herself

 

if you already know of them, why do you need articles. We both know it happens, and we both know women are abused more than men, but the fact that it does happen to men too, means my point applies

I think women should have equal rights under the law, too. I don't think they should be able have special protections like....

1. change her mind after the fact sex = daterape
I've regretted some of the girls I've bedded and wished I could gnaw my arm off the next morning. And I only did it because I was drunk. Doesn't mean she date-raped me

I question it all, and people just throw out the labels "homophobe/racist/sexist" whenever I dare to question any of it.

try to exclude parts of daterape like above..... I am accused of hating women and supporting daterape
try to question why so many blacks are in prison, or have AIDS vs white population..... I am accused of being racist

hope that a trial actually determines Zimmerman's guilty/innocence.... oh heaven forbid, I'm a racist.

don't agree that marriage is a right.... I'm a homophobe

you are saying I hate women if I question some part of women's issues.

equal rights is NOT what people want and fight for, most people want and fight for EXTRA rights/protections.

hate crime laws.

if a queer, me and a black gets murdered during a robbery. During the killing, the killer shouts out cracker, n-word, or f-ag....

1.. my killer is tried for murder
2. a queer's killer is tried for murder and hate crime
3. a black's killer is tried for murder and a hate crime.

murder is murder is murder and placing more punishment for 2 out of my 3 examples is not equality. No hate crime law will prevent someone from killing a black for being black, a queer for being queer, or me because I'm a cracker

I hear ya... but you know good and well, a whites only scholarship offered from a major private donar would bring much liberal raaarrrrrr. Chic-fil-a donated to groups gays didn't like and gays went ape-sh*t over it. Why? it was aprivate donar, donating money

if you know you're vunerable, don't put yourself into bad situations. I don't walk the back streets of New Orleans during mardi gra because I'd be very vunerable. Doesn't make it right I get robbed, but "being right" is of little consolation when it's such an easy prevention.

we agree on some things, I see. at least you're discussing it

 

As far as I know rape is already extremely hard to prove, now proving that a woman was date-raped after a drunk evening and no evidence of drugs in her system, then it's just her word against his.

I don't really know the statistics on the number of men who have been falsely accused of date-rape and convicted for it.

I don't think you hate women for saying that getting drunk and consenting to sex is not date rape, because it's not. I dunno, Javis, the only thing I can think of for why you are being labeled these things is because of the way you are coming across in your posts, because upon further investigation it's clear that you do not hate women, you just don't think consenting to sex while drunk is not date rape, a perfectly rational position to hold.

Well have you looked into the reasons behind why more of the black population has AIDS over the white population? First you'd have to see how big the populations are, blacks vs whites and then look into how much of each population has AIDS and then look into the reasons behind WHY. You may want to factor in or out who is gay and who is not as well.

http://aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/statistics/

From my little research into it I understand that there are a lot of closeted homosexual black men who live their public lives as heterosexuals. They often live another life in what is known as the Down Low. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down-low_(sexual_slang) I think this is one of the biggest reasons for the spread of AIDS in the black populace but I cannot say for sure.

*shrugs* I am not really following that trial nor do I really care. I don't have TV and quite frankly in my opinion it's just another murder, just one out of thousands that happen worldwide. I don't know why it deserves more TV time than any other.

Actually I too do not believe that marriage is a right and if there were a movement to remove the government from marriage entirely I would be all over that, however as it currently stands nobody is fighting to have marriage removed from the government so I stand for the right of all genders to equally be married under the law since at this time there is no interest on part of the population to go back to individual rights and protections only. Of course this is for another thread entirely.

Where did I say you hate women?

I totally agree with you on hate crime laws. There is no reason to say that one murder was worse than another just based on gender, race, or sexuality. Murder is murder and like I already said, pushing some crimes off to the side and saying they're not as bad as others is not only insulting to the victims and their families of those crimes but ignores bringing crime down as a whole.

Well here is a White Only Scholarship, although it was made in parody of all the minority based scholarships put forth by public funds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whites_Only_Scholarship

As for the Chick-Fil-A issue, people have a right to speak out against organizations who support discrimination against them just like those organizations have the right to donate funds wherever they like. They cannot expect to do so without scrutiny however. Both parties are openly acting on their right to freedom of speech.

Obviously. I only ever drink at home. I refuse to be out and about drunk off my arse in a situation that is potentially dangerous to me or put myself at the risk of driving home drunk. I prefer the comfort of making a fool of myself at home anyways.

You'd be surprised how many people can agree with you if you just speak calmly and rationally. I tend to avoid slang or slurs when having a discussion because those things can be considered flame-bait and will only incite negative responses.

 

Gosh, I don't know how anyone could think you were a sexist , racist, homophobe.....(sarcasm)

 

...and should apply to every woman as well. You liberals do believe in equal justice right?

 

Everyone is entitled to free speech. All that being said, exercise common sense. Your free speech may have unintended consequences/rewards. If somebody gives my wife crusty behavior in my presence, I will correct that individual based off of the infraction witnessed. If they slap my wife or denigrate her too much verbally they may as well have bought the vindictive backhand I will give them. Man, woman, child, or beast, the target is irrelevant. That type of behavior should not be tolerated by anybody and should be dealt with swiftly. Preferably by those who endured it, or those who saw it. I say this because it sends a message to the offender - regardless if the police arrive you will be dealt with.

Is it legal and lawful? Well in the eyes of the law no. Is it right? Well that depends on which majority you ask. Some people just need a good and proper punch in the face/kick to the ovarie/balls.

Equal legal rights is all good and grand, only if equal responsibility is taken. I haven't exactly seen that fair share of responsibility taken yet. As has been mentioned, elevating penalties based off of various adjectives of the victim is the most exquisite form of bull(*)(*)(*)(*). It should be based off the crime committed, not whether or not the guy/girl was a homosexual/pagan/PETA member/postal worker, or whatever.