Barbarians Storm US Embassy in Egypt

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  1. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Prior to his election, Obama spent two decades attending the Reverend Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, and Wright preaches the quasi-political doctrine of Black Liberation Theology. It was only after his association with Wright became a political liability that Obama reportedly changed his religious affiliation.

    As your source pointed out, Obama has not been a formal member of any church since he parted ways with Jeremiah Wright and Trinity United four years ago...
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ambassador Stevens could have asked for more protection, but the security of our embassies is not the responsibility of our diplomats. That detail is handled by other people in the State Department. While it's not the White House's responsibility to attend to such things, it is somewhat astonishing that President Obama didn't make sure that our facilities in Libya weren't better protected. I guess he had more important things to worry about, like fundraisers and campaign speeches.

    It's not hard to figure out why the consulate wasn't more secure - the State Department didn't make sure it was a hard, secure facility before it was staffed, and no one in the White House bothered to make sure that it was adequately secured.
     
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    "The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others." - 11 Sep 2012

    "PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: We meet at a time of great tension between the United States and Muslims around the world -- tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate. The relationship between Islam and the West includes centuries of coexistence and cooperation, but also conflict and religious wars. More recently, tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a Cold War in which Muslim-majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations. Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the West as hostile to the traditions of Islam."....

    Let me also address the issue of Iraq. Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq was a war of choice that provoked strong differences in my country and around the world. Although I believe that the Iraqi people are ultimately better off without the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, I also believe that events in Iraq have reminded America of the need to use diplomacy and build international consensus to resolve our problems whenever possible. (Applause.) Indeed, we can recall the words of Thomas Jefferson, who said: "I hope that our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be."...

    "And finally, just as America can never tolerate violence by extremists, we must never alter or forget our principles. Nine-eleven was an enormous trauma to our country. The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our traditions and our ideals. We are taking concrete actions to change course. I have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, and I have ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed by early next year" - June 4 2009

    I know the left spins this into non apologies but to the folk hearing it and real Americans, it was apologies...then we have the many many examples of Obama bowing to despots.

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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hundreds of fund raisers and over 100 rounds of golf are not his duties.
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, sure..Christians have murdered thousands of folk in the name of their religion over the last century, er, hundreds....er, perhaps scores...Oh come on, there must be a murder or so somewhere...
     
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    Obama did not kill Qaddafi. Any sitting President would have given the go-ahead to the seals that actually killed Osama. Liberals think Obama has been making friends. He has just strengthened our enemies with his apology tours and obvious weakness, and has snubbed our allies.

    Quit drinking the Koolaide.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama is a southern Baptist?
     
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    Gee Obama hints that sometimes america's shytte stinks and of course real americans are outraged. Wasn't Iraq a war of choice where you went to war on a false premise? did it not provoke strong differences in america and around the world? Has american not learned any lessons from that debacle?

    An embassy staffer deplores the misguided efforts to insult Islam as they condemn insults to all religions - freedom of religion - a corner stone of american democracy. Condemn misuse of freedom of speech to hurt religious beliefs of others.


    those statements aren't even remotely close to an apology. I do not see any regret, remorse or sorrow in any of those statements, I see a refreshing directness and recognition that others feel differently than americans about america's actions.


    The phantom apology seems to be a recurring strategy of the republicans these days. I suppose its in the vain hope that they can paint obama as weak.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course they are. You following american politics at all???????

    And naturally in the stress free job of being president and running and election campaign him having an outlet to relax and have some "alone time" verges on the treasonous.

    amazing.
     
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    Where's Reagan when you need him? No need to actually answer the question, you liberals.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he orchestrated the campaign to depose him. The libyans killed him, but they got the chance because Obama got Nato to participate. The added bonus was the new american command and control systems were used to integrate nato forces. all around good job.


    I doubt that. Reagan ran away from lebannon after over 200 marines were killed. Any number of presidents have weighed the political price as too risky to take action.

    He is making friends. He has never apologized, not once but righties insist on lying about it or they are just too stupid to comprehend english. Don't think anyone in the world outside american republicans think obama is weak. The terrorists sure don't - he's killing them with great regularity. The pakistanis sure don't - he invaded their country. I fail to see how he has strengthened your enemies. In fact he is doing everything he can to weaken and eradicate them.

    And as for snubbing Israel, well Israel is undoubtedly a strong ally, but BiBI is not. He's a ultrazionist lying sphincter who want Obama to go to war with Iran.
    I find it amazing that americans have no concept of the politics of Israel nor the stated goals of Likud (bibi's party). Obama knows a hypocrite when he sees one and bibi is one of the first order.

    Don't touch the stuff, but I do like the odd brew.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    reagan ran away from lebannon when over 200 marines were killed. He didn't have the stomach for a fight. But he did have the stomach to go to war with .... GRENADA! boy that was a close one. And he does get credit for the cold war ending on his watch, but I think Gorbachov and Yeltsin had way more to do with it that Reagan.

    St. Reagan - much greater in death than he ever was in life.
     
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    Jonsa.. The US would have been happy as clams to maintain the status quo in Libya. This upheavl served NO useful purpose for the US.
     
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    That's factually incorrect. The intervention in Libya was orchestrated primarily by France and the UK. Evidently, you're unaware of the risible quip from one of Obama's advisors that the president was "leading from behind".

    Obama has apologized numerous times, Jonsa, which calls into question the honesty, intelligence and English comprehension skills of people other than Righties.

    As for the perception abroad that Obama is weak, the recent attacks on our embassies are evidence of that perception. Furthermore, Pakistan's willingness to provide a safe haven for men like Osama bin Laden and the elements fighting the United States - including their Taliban proxies - is evidence of Islamabad's perception of Barack Obama as a weak president.

    The truth isn't pretty - especially when it gets your ambassadors and State Department personnel killed - and Mr. Obama's admirers and apologists on the Left aren't about to face it, but the ugly truth remains. It is further reinforced by the actions of countries such as China, whose government has become increasingly aggressive and bellicose in recent months.

    And we have an old saying here in America - it takes one to know one. To Obama's credit, Netanyahu's got nothing on our president...;)
     
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    I don't know about the "happy as clams" part, but Obama's own secretary of defense stated that America had no vital national interest at stake in Libya, and a lot of people in Congress agreed with Robert Gates' assessment.
     
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    According to the Egyptian Independent newspaper, Sadek was banned from entering Egypt and had his citizenship revoked in May 2011 because he called for war against the country.

    On Sept. 6, Sadek emailed journalists around the world, promoting Jones’ anti-Islamic event and including footage of “Innocence of Muslims,” according to The Wall Street Journal. A conservative TV host in Egypt broadcast the video on Sept. 8, sparking protests at the U.S. embassy in Cairo.

    http://www.religionnews.com/faith/in...ti-muslim-film
     
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    We didn't.. We always knew that Khadafi was an arrogant fool, but the 6 or 7 oil majors were busy and had lucrative revenue sharing oil concessions..

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
     
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    Looking back on the whole situation, I think Bernard-Henri Levy may have put it best when he stated "the imbeciles have won".

    I agree with your assessment.

    Gaddafi was worse than an arrogant fool, but there appeared to be a willingness on everyone's part to let bygones be bygones and move on.
     
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    If this is what you consider to be conservative I wonder what you consider to be rightwing extremism?

    [video]http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3305.htm[/video]
     
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    Well, another day and more riots as well as a separate incident in China where our Ambassador was confronted by a mob over China/Japan territory claims...But heck, all is well. Obama is in charge
     
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    You sure you want Reagan back?

    1) There is one issue that can sink the USA like a stone, without a shot being fired; its public debt and the related interest burden. Let's see where Reagan came in on that one:

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    In order to cover newly spawned federal budget deficits, the United States started to borrow heavily both domestically and abroad in the early 80's. Look at that. Some wanker president started that hockey stick disaster that the US will never be able to fix unless the dollar goes totally to hell in a hand-basket. And in 1982 the president responsible for the plundering of American financial strength was ..... would you believe it .... Ronald Reagan!! And he had to do that because he introduced major federal tax cuts. Wow, what a genius. He made his presidency easy at the cost of your grandchildren. Thanks, Ronnie.

    2) Didn't Ronnie believe that tax policies that benefit the wealthy will create a "trickle-down" effect to the poor? What a dream!! Rich folk are rich because they invest and don't spend it all, Ronnie.

    3) He was on watch during the stock market crash of 1987 and there are folk who believe that the above sort of policies partially influenced the crash.

    4) He supported the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 which led to the massacre of 20 000+ Lebanese, causing a huge boost to hatred of America in the Middle East, and resulted in the deaths of 241 American servicemen and the wounding of more than 60 others by a suicide truck bomber in Beirut.

    5) He ordered a massive buildup of the United States Armed Forces. See the humungous debt increase in 1) above. You guys didn't seriously think that the US had the economy to do this, did you? Please tell me you weren't THAT naive.

    6) On March 3, 1983, he predicted that communism would collapse, stating, "Communism is another sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages even now are being written". The Chinese are still laughing as they file away the US IOUs.

    7) His support was instrumental in training, equipping and leading Mujaheddin forces against the Soviet Army. He helped end the Soviet presence there, but contributed to the Arabs seeing Osama Bin Laden as a hero when OBL trained volunteers from across the Muslim world to fight against the Soviet puppet regime. The US had to return to Afghanistan two decades later to try to undo much of this. So far they are still failing and in the process 2000 US servicemen have died. Thanks Ronnie.

    8 ) He destroyed the economies of four Central American states and supported right-wing dictatorships over much of the continent, leading to almost all Latin American countries changing from being friends of the US to being dubious sceptics at best. Nice one Ronnie - alienating 600 million neighbours. Were the 1.6 billion Muslims not enough? Ronnie, you turned one third of the world against your country. Stunningly inept!!

    9) In one year alone he spent $1.7 billion to fund the War on Drugs. He lost. See 1) above.

    10) He approved the arms sales to Iran - Irangate. HE APPROVED ARMS SALES TO IRAN while his ally, the evil tyrant Saddam was at war with them. His special envoy, Rumsveld, shook the tyrant's hand while he was gassing Kurds. Ronnie is loved by all in the Middle East for his honour and honesty. Ronnie is a national hero with the Kurds.

    Onalandline, are you really sure you want that man back?
     
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    Sad , pathetic Ronnie, was much better as a B-movie actor than as US Presidnt, which reflects much more poorly on US electorate's judgemnts than on Ronnie.

    May, the poor sod now RIP .


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    Maybe when Marlowe can hold a candle to sad, pathetic Ronnie and his accomplishments they'll make statues of him, too...

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    I won't be holding my breath...

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    Yet he was by far the best President in the last 60 years...compared to Reagan, Obama is well...a community organizer.
     

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