Believe in yourself instead of believing in a magical “prophet”

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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    Ask yourself: if you had the cure for cancer would you tell people about it? If you answered “yes”, then you are a better person than “Jesus” etc., because if “Jesus” is powerful enough to be god (or the son of god) and to actually listen to people’s prayers, and perform “miracles” that cure lepers, then he obviously knows the cure for cancer. Obviously.

    The magical “Jesus” actually prefers to see billions, including your ancestors, you, your family, your friends, innocent small children around the world, innocent animals, etc., possibly suffer horrifically. He could tell us the cure so fast that it would make your head spin.

    Think of someone you’ve known who died from cancer. Now picture you, had you had the power to cure cancer like Jesus, curing that person, and them living a full life and not suffering. Now realize that you are better than anyone (including a magical “god”) who would have that cure but has consciously refused to reveal it for the entire history of the universe. In fact, it’s highly likely that science will discover the cure before the invisible “god” in the sky decides to be compassionate enough to tell us the cure. So believe in yourself, and science, more than you believe in a mysterious, unproven, magical, un-compassionate dead guy in the sky.
     
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    In my opinion, this is good advice:

    (from wikipedia) "God helps those who help themselves" is a popular motto that emphasizes the importance of self-initiative.

    especially if you consider a hypothetical that considers our current plane of existence, potentially, a nexus and possibly number six in that continuum. would it not behoove us in that Case, to practice self-reliance, whenever possible?
     
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    Yep. I know someone who's battling a form of cancer right now. Neither of us is going to superstitiously beg some invisible personage for help; rather, we are counting on the wonders of medical science to clear it up. Medical science has a proven track record, too, while prayer tends to make no difference at all, exception perhaps in those people who know they're being prayed for. For them, the results may actually be worse, most likely for psychosomatic reasons.
     
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    Which actually cuts gods of all sorts completely out of the picture, potential benefits of organised religion aside.
     
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    Jesus lets us down once again.
     
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    Bigfoot, the Lochness Monster, and Yeti ALSO help those people who help themselves (I can prove this as well as you can prove that your imaginary friend does this)....see how that works?

    How is an innocent 5 year old child who, thanks to god/Jesus creating cancer in the first place (supposedly - if they created the world), has cancer going to help themselves? Your dead, shy, unproven, gay-hating, un-compassionate imaginary friend in the sky is doing absolutely NOTHING to help this child. However, scientists are working very hard to overcome your "gods" clear failings, and helping save lives in the process.
    So either your imaginary friend doesn't exist, or he's incredibly uncaring to sit by idly and watch innocent chlildren die from a disease he created, w/out lifting a finger. Maybe he's just too darn busy killing over 100,000 people (like in Aceh a few years back.) Either way, he's not worth worshipping.
     
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    His kingdom is not of this world. We're supposed to stop worrying about quality of life here and now, and focus instead on the baseless promise of eternal life later on in a place other than the world in which we live today.

    And then there's the attached threat of eternal torment for not buying into that promise.
     
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    We are the Gods we create, there is no reason to look outward for revelation, but look inward.

    There is no reason to refer to a silly book in an attempt to find those answers.
     
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    Jesus/Allah/Krishna have a LOT in common with Peter Pan and Santa. But of course Jesus, if he actually exists, and gives a rat's rear-end about us, can clear this all up in a millisecond....but he either doesn't exist or he's to uncaring to bother worshipping in the first place.
     
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    But but but... [insert argument that renders the Christians world indistinguishable from a godless universe].
     
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    REALLY?! Jesus fought pirates, knew a fairy named tinker bell, and Walt Disney made a movie on him? Cool!

    Jesus does not exist or does not care about us... Unless of course there is a third option. As a human, there is so much you couldn't posibly understand why an omnipotent being does what he does.
     
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    REALLY?! Jesus fought pirates, knew a fairy named tinker bell, and Walt Disney made a movie on him? Cool!

    Jesus does not exist or does not care about us... Unless of course there is a third option. As a human, there is so much you couldn't posibly understand why an omnipotent being does what he does that humans only see a superficial understanding on things.
     
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    Jesus said that true believers could just lay their hands on the sick and cure them. A true believer could easily cure anyone who has cancer or any other disease. Find a true believer when you get sick. Become pals with the Pope.

    Mark 16:17-18 (CEV) = Everyone who believes me will be able to do wonderful things. By using my name they will force out demons, and they will speak new languages. They will handle snakes and will drink poison and not be hurt. They will also heal sick people by placing their hands on them.
     
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    People can easily defeat cancer if it's caught very early. Once it becomes advanced they're pretty much goners. That's why good cancer screenings are so important.

    Every kind of death has its drawbacks. Some are better than others. But with cancer the person gets time to get his affairs in order. The price for the time is that it's painful and messy.

    May we be happy up to the very second that we die.
     
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    Omnipotent....but can't even help keep people from eternal torture by simply proving that he exists. Pathetic.
    Won't take 1 minute out of his busy schedule of spreading the Ebola virus to give us the cure for cancer. Pathetic.
    Won't even take 1 minute out of his busy schedule of giving unborn children AIDS in Africa to tell us that the main book about him (the Bible) is dead wrong and highly immoral when it ways to slaughter gays. Pathetic.

    Conclusion: it's pathetic to have a hateful, violent, unhelpful, egotistical, magic dead invisible friend in the sky.

    500 years from now people will laugh at Christianity the same way people laugh at people who worshipped the Sun God (who drew the sun across the sky each day on his magical chariot.) You are witnessing the inevitable rise of modern Secular Humanism.
     
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    ...or if Jesus actually existed and was indeed a caring being, because the all-knowing master of the world would simply tell us the cure, before one more innocent little girl is stricken with this horrific and painful disease. But he won't, because he either doesn't exist or, clearly being immoral, doesn't deserve our worship.
     
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    Clearly the Bible is very dangerous, as it diverts people from finding real, proven, scientifically-accurate solutions to our biggest problems.

    Wyrd, don't you get sick of being right all the time? My hats off to you. You are clearly more wise than Jesus (I bet you disapprove of slavery, torture, killing gays, mal-treatment of women, horrific discrimination against Jews/Hindus, monarchies, magic, etc.)
     
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    Yep, both are simply fairy tales. But one is far more dangerous than the other one.
     
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    It's also not good to expect the taxpayers or the government to do everything for you. They don't even have magical powers. Believe in yourself instead of a magical god or a magical government with infinite funds to buy everyone everything.
     
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    Wise, very wise.
     
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    I doubt if anyone is always right about one issue all of the time. Times change. Ideas change. Opinions and beliefs shift. Everyone is on a different scale. We each have to find the things that work best for us at any given time. Everyone's reality is different.
     
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    I'm sure people said the same thing about Christianity 500 years ago, yet we are still here. And as you pointed out the rise of MODERN secular humanism. It's not very new.
     
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    The truth being spread much more quickly, largely due to the internet, is gonna change that, my friend. Fairy tales are on their way out.
     
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    Well I certainly wish a full recovery and good health for your friend/loved one. With that being said, I believe Hope goes a long way. I actually believe in the cancer treatment centers of America. They pump your mind full of hope first, by not appointing a death sentence on you like modern medicine alone.
     
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    Yet, there is a lot of misinformation on the internet. Secular humanism has resulted in a lot of problems as well.
     

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