Less the 2% of American whites owned slaves?

You are entitled to your opinion no matter that you have nothing to support it, no matter that you are wrong.

 

Too many that should not have children ...have children...because they know they can snatch your tax money to support them....oh and where are the fathers....definitely not at home with their children...in fact most of them are out running around getting other women pregnant...ad infinitum...no matter they know they can depend on the White Working Class to feed them, house them, educate them and give them jobs they are not qualified for aka affirmative action...and they still want raparations? Somebody should tell them that is what they have been getting for decades now.

 

answer my question

 

And we are supposed to believe you? Why would we?...your opinion is just that.

 

He could claim he was from mars......could you refute that?

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The Truth needs no response....it stands by itself.

 

given time

 

It took generations of conditioning and the blacks were quite productive from 1900-1960 in the USA. Along came Martin Luther King and civil rights are finally granted. Equality is here. Let's move forward. Wait, an assassination and Lyndon Johnson grabs the opportunity to subjugate the blacks again. This time, for votes and a meager pittance to cover food, sanitation and a roof at the expense of the taxpayer. The blacks that expose the truth are ostracized as Uncle Toms.

 

The negroes are suffering more now from their own kind than they ever suffered at the hands of their benevolent masters....who would not let them starve when Mr. Lincoln made them all homeless and turned them out in a cold winter not caring where they went or what happened to them....he of course wanted to send them back to Africa.

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The negroes are suffering more now from their own kind than they ever suffered at the hands of their benevolent masters....who would not let them starve when Mr. Lincoln made them all homeless and turned them out in a cold winter not caring where they went or what happened to them....he of course wanted to send them back to Africa.

 

The Jewish people should not feel guilty at all about being involved in the slave trade....if not for slavery all the negroes would have perished in Africa ....coming to America was the greatest thing that could have happend to them.

 

That Civil war was ended by Jackson over the issue of nullification. Oh, and Jefferson had no part in the drafting of the Constitution, he was in France at the time.

 

Slavery was brought here 450 years before we became a nation. Indians owned slaves here for centuries before that. Slavery has been a human institution from the begaining. That doesn't make it right but we didn't invent it.

 

Then you should have told the South not to attack Fort Sumter. At that piont the Federal Government had every right to fight, whip, and impose what ever laws they so choose. And what was the reason the South decided to go to war??? Kansas–Nebraska Act and Linclon getting elected President. On top of that from Nov. 1860 until April of 1861 the Southren States had commited 137 acts of treason against the U.S..

 

Such as???

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Explain!

 

Because I have studied this stuff and provided scholarly research....

 

so you have been to Africa? It is now empty of natives? While this is a racist post that sentiment was made at CPAC and got....wait for it.....booed. Too radical for CPAC....wow just wow.

 

The moment the South Carolina fired on Sumter, the state of South Carolina was in open Rebellion against the United States, which if you read the Constitution authorized the President to use the Power of the United States to suppress that rebellion.

 

wow- where to start because there are so many errors in fact historically and so many emotional outbursts or statements based on politics meant to be substituted for an actual argument that appeals to reason. I will break replies up so this point does not go on infinitely but the first thing I would like to question is the OP's audacity to bait an argument both sides without conclusive numbers to compare or defend an honest rebuttal to. 2%seems like a dinky number until you say 2% of what statistic. Specifically what #? 2% of the white population according to the 1860 census was (rounded up) 385,000 white males who owned slaves out of a population of 8 million white men and women living in the southern states and a combined population of (rounded up) 27 million white men and women in the U.S. at the time . There were 4.5 million blacks in America in 1860 and of those only 261,988 were not slaves. Pay attention to that number for later reference. 4 million of those black slaves lived in the southern states. The border states accounted for the other percentage of slaves not in the southern states including Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland , Delaware and brace yourselves Washington D.C. ..start putting names and faces to all involved and the emotional appeal to an argument comes into play because it actually HUMANIZES a statistic meant to dehumanize a large group of people living in the united states at the time who were considered property and not man nor woman. The problem with rebutting the 2% as somehow making 2% seem less culpable for their acts by the mere fact it is only 2% and not say 20% is that it does not change the fact that the act of owning another person or profit is acceptable as 'long as it remains under double digit percentages?". Most here as they pointed out here have no historical reference or perspective for the institution of slavery because they own no slaves nor have they been a slave. That is a valid argument so here is your reference "statistically" in a modern setting NYC has 8,244,910 thousand residents(as of 2011) does the deaths of 2988 of them in 2001 perished in buildings hold anyone culpable?- By the OPs argument 2% is not a big number and nothing anyone should make a big deal of. So less than 2% of a number is even less of a big deal in American history as well? The problem with statistics and numbers is if they are incompletely given in an argument they tend to cloud the issue and dehumanize the subject .Because a number is a number until you are speaking about the human factors in American History that should teach us a moral lesson and not a math lesson. It will take me a moment but I will be back with some of the other stuff on this post that I found questionable about everyone's recollection of the Civil War. thanks ya'll.

 

Hold on let me get out my color crayons.....o.k. What I meant by all the negroes would have perished in Africa...I was referring to the ones brought over here....they would have had miserable lives full of suffering and a very early death in Africa .....even if they somehow managed to escape their African captors who would have either executed them or worked them to death if they had been unable to sell them.

I have long contended that the majority of republicans are politically correct and just about as sorry as the democrats.

There is a big battle shaping up for who will control the Republican Party....if the likes of mccain, jeb bush and Karl Rove win out...then the Republicans are doomed. Their only hope is that Real Conservatives gain control and present a candidate with intelligence, charisma and the ability to understand that The White Working Class is the key to victory next time.

A huge,huge problem with the majority of Republicans is that they do not understand why Romney lost.....they have bought into the story spun by the media that the minority vote was what elected obama.....simply not true. Yet the liberal elements of the party are attempty to use that false dichotomy to persuade Republicans they must become more like democrats....a sure path to defeat.

 

So what evidence do you have that the Jews did not dominate the slave trade? I you have any I havent seen it. But do not get me wrong.....I do not think it was wrong for the Jews to engage in slave trading....it was legal and though unfortunately a few slaves were mistreated....for the most part....at least down South they were treated very well....a different story down in South America(and one most are completely ignorant of) where the great majority of them wound up ....they were treated very cruel by the Spanish in South America......yet all the world ever heards about is how terrible the Southern People were.

 

heh heh...given time? you were given time and time has run out....get over it. heh heh

 

Mr. Lincoln hisself was responsible for The War of Agression launched upon the peace loving farmers of the agrarian SouthLand.

Many though, are ignorant regarding why it is that the Confederate States of America withdrew from the union. Many do not realize that Mr. Lincoln was the one most responsible for the War Between The States.....its proper term.

Secession was motivated by mistreatment....the Damn Yankees wanted to tax the Southern States unfairly. Ring a bell aka...the Boston Tea Party?


Cotton lead the South as for exports, followed by tobacco and rice. These raw materials were shipped North to Yankee mills where they were refined, and then they were shipped to Europe, and sold and made into expensive and fine clothing, and other useful items.
These items would then come back to the United States, and, upon reaching a Southern port, would not be allowed to be taken off of a ship until a very heavy tax was paid by the State, and the owner of the ship, and the person the shipment was coming to, and so on.
This did not happen in the North. Only in the South.

This is one reason alone that Secession became necessary, as it was done continually, and it impaired deeply and greatly the wealth and sovereignty of the Southern States, as in that time, each state was a stand alone government.

Now, that we have the reason to secede, let us look at the legal rights guaranteed us to do so.


"The powers not delegated to the United States by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively."

-Stated in Amendment Ten of the Constitution of the United States of America


One might argue, however, that according to Article One, Section Ten, the states cannot enter into an alliance, or a confederation of sorts without approval of the Federal government, but, as is the case here, the states in question has already seceded before they formed the Confederacy, and were therefore not a part of the Union, or the United States as a whole, and not subjugated to its rules and laws.

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

-Declaration of Independence

This should be able to explain itself.

And, one last point can be found in Abraham Lincoln’s First Inaugural Address.

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so If I could save the Union without freeing any slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that."

Although slavery was not an issue in Secession, Lincoln chose to make it one from the outset. He also, at one point furthered his statements by saying, “If I could win the coming War without freeing the ni**ers, I would do so.”

Lincoln also said, on August 14, 1862, to a group of Freedmen:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether right or wrong, I need not discuss it. But, this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffers greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side.
If this is admitted, it affords a reason, at least, why we should be separated. See our present condition – the country engaged in war – our white men cutting one another’s throats – none knowing how far it will extend – and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or another. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of slavery, and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have existence. It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated.”

We cannot forget his infamous document, the Emancipation Proclamation. This “wonderful” piece of rubbish was written to free the slaves. Which is okay, but it only applied to the Confederacy, which was a separate Country from the United States. It was issued on September 22, 1862, but did not take effect until January 1, 1863.
Lincoln, in it, states that the Proclamation applies to states that were in Rebellion, however, there was no Rebellion against the U.S. It was a legal Secession.
And, it is illegal now, as it was then, to impose law upon countries in time of War.
The dictation of the EP only applied to the states in rebellion. Not to the states still in the Union, or to the Border States, which supplied troops to both Armies in the War. Therefore, slavery was allowed to continue.
And, it did. It even continued in the higher echelons of the Union Army. Ulysses S. Grant’s wife, Julia Dent Grant, owned three slaves, and hired out two of them, keeping the third with her as a personal servant throughout the War.
That slave, also named Julia, was with Mrs. Grant, when she visited her husband in the trenches outside of Petersburg, Virginia.
She also accompanied her into Richmond when they toured the city, and was thusly the only legal slave in the entire state of Virginia.

Lincoln’s wife, Mary Todd, also came from a slave owning family, however she set them free, but only after the Emancipation Proclamation went into effect.

Slavery was outlawed in the Southern states, but the rest of the Nation did not have to free its slaves until December 6, 1865, when the 13th Amendment went into effect.

Many people declare that the War was an act of treason on the part of the Confederacy against the United States, but, however, they are wrong. The Confederacy only raised an Army, and fired on Fort Sumter to protect itself. There was never any intention of attacking the Union.

However, on April 15, 1861, Abraham Lincoln called up an Army, consisting of 75,000 volunteer troops, to forcibly put down a supposed rebellion in his own Country; in effect, he was raising arms against his nation, which is treason.

And, to further this, on May 3, 1861, the U.S. Congress voted to declare open War on the Confederate States of America.
Abraham Lincoln ordered the suspension of Habeas Corpus and imprisoned people under the tiniest amount of suspicion that they were a “spy”, even if there was no proof against them. He stripped them of their rights and treated them as an inferior to himself and his government, and confiscated their homes and property for private use.
Federal soldiers would often loot homes, ransacking them fully, and burning what they could not carry away.
This came from Lincoln’s ideology.

Was Abraham Lincoln Truly the Great Emancipator?
When asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?"
Lincoln replied: "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?"

In order to coalesce the forces in the North, Lincoln had to stage an incident to inflame the populace, which he did. The firing on Sumter was, by his own admission, a setup for just such action. Lincoln was aware that provisioning Sumter could provoke a war.

Lincoln's letter to Gustavus Fox on 1 May, 1861, makes it clear that he was pleased by the result of the firing on Ft Sumter... "You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Ft Sumter, even if it should fail; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result."

Abraham Lincoln said the following on September 18, 1858 in a speech in Charleston, Illinois:
"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races [applause]: that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." -- Reply by Abraham Lincoln to Stephen A. Douglas in the first joint debate, Ottawa, IL; 21 Aug 1858
"I have never seen to my knowledge a man, woman, or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social or political, between Negroes and white men." Opening speech, fourth joint debate with Douglas, Charleston, IL; 18 Sep 1858
"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government, may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so much territory as they inhabit." -- Abraham Lincoln

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery." - First Inaugural Address

"I am a little uneasy about the abolishment of slavery in this District (of Columbia)." - To Horace Greeley

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slaves, I would do it." - To Horace Greeley
"What then will become of my tariff?" - Abraham Lincoln to Virginia compromise delegation, March 1861.

On August 14, 1862, Lincoln received a deputation of free Negroes at the White House to which he said, "But for your race there could not be war... It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated". He advocated colonization in Central America and promised them help in carrying out the project.
"What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races." From a speech in Springfield, IL; 17 July 1858

"Such separation ... must be effected by colonization ... to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be."
- From a speech delivered in Springfield, IL; 26 June, 1857

"The [Emancipation] proclamation has no constitutional or legal justification except as a war measure." - Letter to Sec. of Treas. Salmon P. Chase; 3 Sep 1863

"The suspension of the habeas corpus was for the purpose that men may be arrested and held in prison who cannot be proved guilty of any defined crime."

"Arrests," wrote President Lincoln to that Albany committee of Democrats, "are not made so much for what has been done as for what might be done. The man who stands by and says nothing when the peril of his Government is discussed cannot be misunderstood. If not hindered (by arrest, imprisonment, or death) he is sure to help the enemy."

Under Lincoln's definition, silence became an act of treason.

"Much more, if a man talks ambiguously, talks with 'buts' and 'ifs' and 'ands' he cannot be misunderstood. If not hindered (by imprisonment or death) this man will actively commit treason. Arbitrary arrests are not made for the treason defined in the Constitution, but to prevent treason."

Lincoln supported his home state's law, passed in 1853, forbidding blacks to move to Illinois. The Illinois state constitution, adopted in 1848, called for laws to "effectually prohibit free persons of color from immigrating to and settling in this state."

Lincoln blamed blacks for the Civil War, telling them, "But for your race among us there could not be a war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or another."

Lincoln claimed that "the people of Mexico are most decidedly a race of mongrels. I understand that there is not more than one person there out of eight who is pure white."

Repeatedly over the course of his career, Lincoln urged that American blacks be sent to Africa or elsewhere.

In 1854, Lincoln declared his "first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia - to their own native land." In 1860, Lincoln called for the "emancipation and deportation" of slaves.
And, while prosecuting the war to "free the slaves," Lincoln said: "I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I strongly favor colonization...in congenial climes, and with people of their own blood and race." Annual message to Congress; 1 Dec 1862

In his State of the Union addresses as president, he twice called for the deportation of blacks. In 1865, in the last days of his life, Lincoln said of blacks, "I believe it would be better to export them all to some fertile country with a good climate, which they could have to themselves."
The following is a quote from the London Spectator, dated October 1, 1862 concerning the Emancipation Proclamation:
"The principle [of the Proclamation] is not that a human being cannot justly own another, but that he cannot own him unless he is loyal to the United States government."
The following post was taken from Newsmax.com by John R. Lynch, a member of the John B. Hood SCV Camp 1208 in Los Angeles, CA
"....more and more people are recognizing Lincoln and his unholy war as the beginning of the end for America. The intentionally-misnamed American Civil War was the first, most fundamental, and most significant assault upon state sovereignty by big government in our nation's history. To be more precise, it was the event that first "rewrote," or re-interpreted, the Constitution in such a way that it became an instrument of tyranny, rather than freedom. Far from what we've been taught, the understanding of the Constitution that prevailed in America after the war was entirely at odds with the understanding of the framers in the beginning. (As an indication, look in vain for quotations from the framers in any of Lincoln's writings. They're simply not there.) Thus, if it took some time for conditions to develop to the point where the tyrants waiting in the wings were ready to move (the "conditions" being, mostly, the deaths of those old enough to remember what the Constitution really said and meant), it nevertheless set the stage for them and provided an incalculable service by silencing and impoverishing that great part of America that had been faithful to the Constitution of their fathers."

Quotes in the last half taken from : http://www.scvcamp469-nbf.com/lincolnquotes.htm

 

What's wrong with you people? We need slaves - today!!!

That's what's wrong with our economy. There aren't enough slaves! Besides, my roof needs replaced and why should I have to do it when I could have some slaves get up there and bust their ass and cost me next to nothing? I could take the money I saved by using slaves to buy some Chinese stuff and stimulate our (and their) economy. Who needs Ben Bernanke? With slaves we could have the most stimulated economy going, since it apparently is based on nothing more than consumers buying (*)(*)(*)(*) that they probably don't need.

So let's all get with the program here. We need to pressure Congress to use the military if necessary and go out there into the underdeveloped world and GET US SOME SLAVES! Lots of em!

 

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First we had White Slaves....back in the colonial times...most do not know about that...just google 'The Unknown White Slaves' if you have never heard about that...it has been posted on several message boards though.

Then those guys were followed by the so called 'Indentured Servants' also white...and supposedly they only had to serve 7 years and they would get their freedom.....and that is how most of the early immigrants bought their passage over here from England.

However.......as most or at least many things in life.........indentured servitude was not what it was made out to be....kinda like a army recruiter selling a kid on joining the service...the reality vs. the promises do not match. The problem was....that the indentured servant was completely at the mercy of his master....they were little better of if any than slaves...some contend and with good reason that they were worse off.


So what happened to many of them that as the time of their servitude drew to a close the master would extend their service because he had kept a tally of all they had owed him...debts they had supposedly racked up during their period of service...thus he forced them to keep working for him...often till they died. I could go on and on about the evils of that system but I will not take the time...anyone interested can study up on it ...on their own time.

Basically the indentured servitude phenomenon was just an extension of the rigid..very rigid class system in England....it was just transferred over here but many may not be familar with that.

But what I want to get to is how any society needs a servant class.....now you may call them something different --aka.............mexican laborers, minimum wage employees, the working class or whatever but basically it all comes down to the same thing....someone must either be willing or be forced to take the dirty jobs, the low paying jobs, the jobs no one else wants. This is absolultely vita because without it any modern society could not survive....there must be a division of labor....that is basically why the concept of communism never worked...people are not equal...no matter how much they have been deceived in regards to that.

There is an old story about how you could put 100 Koreans and 1000 negroes on an island and give them each 10,000 dollars and within a couple of years time all the money would be owned by the Koreans.....that is just the natural order prevailing...some people are smarter than others...case closed.

Yet....in the late fifties and sixties a democratic inspired concept of socialism and political corectness began to make vigourous strides....to rid our nation of the Servant Class(you all know who I am talking about)and make everyone a member at least of the middle class....which of course has failed miserably...now we are even seeing the complete disappearance of the middle class coming about...within a few years there will only be the elite or upper class and the poor class.

This all came about because the White Working Class was abandoned by the democratic party in favor of the minorities and the White Working Class got suckered into joining the Republican Party aka....the so called Reagan Democrats.

Well...they cannot be blamed tooooo much because they had nowhere else to go. They did not have the political expertise or even knowledge of what was actually happening to them to be motivated to form their own party which would be of by and for the White Working Class....they basically got sucker punched...and they still (for the most part)are clueless and politically naive.

The republicans gave them a little lip service, indictrinted them into political correctness and how to give and give and give and support those who did not work, educate or try and educate those who did not have a desire or capacity to be educated(at the tune of billions and billions of dollars...the bussing and all tht)persuaded them not to complain when billions of their hard earned tax monies was sent overseas, lulled them into not resisting when our immigration program was radicalized in 1965 by LBJ and cohorts, convinced them that it was good to give money and food stamps to a certain minority who had more interest in taking advantage of Uncle Sam than actually working, made a mockery of fair play and our so called non-racist society by giving job preferances to a particular race...hiring people based on their race not whether they were actually qualified for the work and forced employers to hire those who only wanted a pay check and did not want to work and not only did not want to work ...would stir up trouble at the drop of a head....lowering the morale of those who really wanted to work....suing their employers at the drop of a hat and so on and so forth....most folk know this...they may not want to admit it...but White Working Folk all this take place right around them...how their unions got caught up into political correctness and ceased truly representing white working folk...began to do things like supporting illegal mexican immigrants and so on.

In a nutshell...alll of the above stupidity got America into a position of not being able to compete with foreign nations....foreign nations were able to produce things much more cheaply and make things better than we could here in America due to all the interference of the Federal Government in the work place. So.....thus..........we lost our industrial base---the companies began to outsource work overseas and then entire companies fled overseas...often disassembling and taking their factories with them.

There was a ammunition place in St.Louis I am very familiar with...that made artillery shells during the Vietnam War...the complete factory was disassembled and sold or given to some foreign country...and this happened over and over...meanwhile our politicians kept telling us that our economy was basically sound....how many times have we heard that lie.

Now all this happend basically because the federal government interefered with the natural order of society....trying to make all Americans equal--something not possible yet they poured billions and billions into it and still are pouring billions into this failed socialist ideal......trying to achieve the impossible....much like Russia tried for decades to make communism work....Russia crumbled and split up before our eyes and now the same process is at work here. Yet the politicians keep lying and all you chumps keep believing it....things will get better just around the corner, there will be pie in the sky in the sweet by and by...put the monkey back in the white house all be well...this is America after all...we cannot fail. Yeh right

So you see you were correct without even knowing it.

 

I have a feeling you're going to get some interesting responses.