Yet more lies + war mongering from the usual suspects..

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  1. HBendor

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    You are a KK disciple, but even he could not officially prove anything since that fellow has twisted, is twisting history to fit his agenda.

    And if they were squatting for so long it is hight time for them to pack up and leave the Land of the righful owners <Arad Ibna'a Ihal aslyin> don't you think so...?

    If I was the P.M. of Israel I would have changed my present position and made the utmost to quicken their departure.
     
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    There are not <Palestinians> this is the biggest hoax perpetrated on humanity .
    [There's a sucker born every minute P.T. Barnum (1810-1891)]
     
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    They tried that in 1950.. They wanted to forcibly expel the rest of the Arabs to Saudi Arabia and they wanted the US to pay for it.. Both ARAMCO and King Ibn Saud refused... So did the US government.
     
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    Dear dear, there certainly is. Here is what the World Bank has to say about them

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/10/08/report-palestinians-lose-billions-israeli-bans.html

    The World will be keeping an eye out to see that they get back this land in the on going 'peace deal'.
     
  5. Jack Napier

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    Well here's the even worse news - you are not even as good as a prostitute. A prostitute generally gets paid. They have turned you into the prostitute that pays them.

    Still, what do you know, you are just American. It's not like you're Canadian and can show me a pie chart produced by an organisation that was formed by an ex AIPAC director. Now that really would be PROOF of a "vibrant marriage".

    ;)
     
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    Thirty years?

    :eekeyes:
     
  7. Jack Napier

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    :love:


    What a hoot.
     
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    "Jewish supporters of Palestine Solidarity is an effort to completely clean the movement out of these kind of people. ..."

    It's like comedy central - :roflol:
     
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    Well you have it all so very figured out.

    Aside from the thirty years of unwavering support that is.

    So.

    Now that you have it all figured out, what you are doing for the Palestinians?

    Genuinely interested.
     
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    And there you have your flip side.
     
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    Explain your hilarity. While I am a bit too pc for Blumenthal's use of the word 'queers' or not understanding his humour, the point is that the issue re criticism of Israel rests on 'liberal values' in this case very much concerning 'racism'. I have pointed out before that the issue regarding Israel is a political one, one shared with Jews, indeed largely initiated by Jews because of their political stance. It is not a racial stance but a politically orientated one. My own criticism of Israel comes from this. I have for instance previously asked you why you critique Israel which is currently engaged in 'ethnic nationalism' while at the same time showing your support for Golden Dawn a nazi 'ethnic nationalist' party.

    People have different motivations for their critique of Israel. For some, including some Jews it is political. For others it is simply critique of Israel because they are Jews. Clearly such people, when they even suggest the removal of all European Jews to Israel are on a different well known game plan.

    Now explain your hilarity though I am going out. Will look back when I can.
     
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    Okay then I will.

    Remember, you did ask, and remember, anything that I cite here has been a matter of record, so please don't ask me to give an honest and full answer, then when I do, pull your usual about being "personally attacked", as you have asked me, and I am answering your question.

    And assuming you wish me to answer with honest, I will do that very thing.

    First thing. If anyone outwith Israel lent thirty years of UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT to Israel, then without question they as good as have blood on their hands. Actually, I would blame an Israeli Jew born there less than I would someone outwith Israel that had essentially given UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT to Israel for three entire decades.

    Thus I would then find that moving into the realms of the Twilight Zone if the person that had lent three decades of support with no conditions to Israel, reinvented themselves as an "anti Zionist".

    I would wonder where were they for 30yrs? They were giving support with no conditions, and now they want to pretend that doesn't mean they are complicit , and they can just forget that and shout out "I am an anti Zionist now".



    I wonder how many homes were bulldozed during those 30yrs?

    How many people were displaced during those 30yrs?

    I wonder how many villages were destroyed, how many human rights violations, how much land and water theft, etc, etc.

    If one unconditionally supported that for three entire decades, then what else can I do but to laugh loudly when this person (whoever it was), wishes to take some moral high ground, and reinvent themselves as "anti Zionist".

    Moreover, it would then become even more hilarious when this 30year unconditional supporter of a rogue + racist state, also felt he or she could become like some sort of expert in who can be "anti Zionist" and who cannot.

    If you cannot see the laughable irony of that, then I don't know how else to explain it.
     
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  14. Jack Napier

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    The quotes etc are getting messy, so I shall present my words in bold;


    Okay. So the "vibrant marriage" that is most certainly not "parasitical", is not equal. Nor mutually beneficial. Are you sure this is a "marriage" and not a "prostitute"?

    Progress. Of course the relationship is mutually beneficial, just not equal. Even with a prostitute there is mutual benefit.

    Progress what? You can't just drop a word in and leave it there. There is no substance to the use of that word in the context of your sentence. As I have said, I do not doubt that there are "mutual benefits". What I do doubt, no, I actually flat out reject and absolutely so, is any notion at all that this "mutual benefit" and this "vibrant marriage" that you keep speaking of is a benefit to the majority of Americans. Which is the first and pretty much only duty of any elected Gov. Not the "mutually" beneficial for the few. That is an oligarchy.


    And yet tiny little Israel's leader has been to DC more times than any other World leader. Fancy that. For such a teensy weensy lemon squeezy little state, that " do no harm", and are certainly "not rogue", and who most surely do not behave in a "parasitical manner". We know this because both DC and Tel Aviv assure us. And I meant equal in the sense that do the US people get the same out of this deal as the Israeli public? Or is that no equal either...

    Logical Fallacy. In no way does the frequency of visits have anything to do with the ridiculous accusation of Israeli control. Apparently you aren't aware of the fact Obama - he no like bibi.

    Your "sense" of equality is also fallacious. Collective benefit accrues to both populations, or do you think that 2.5 Billion in arms purchases isn't beneficial to Americans ? or military technologies that help guarantee US air superiority and survivability isn't beneficial to Americans? or that security technologies/procedures and training are not beneficial to Americans? or intelligence sharing isn't beneficial to Americans? Try as you might to denigrate the relationship, you can't escape the plain facts of the matter and they do not support your spurious and salacious propaganda

    I did not say the number of visits(more than any other world leader) was proof of Israeli control. I said it in response to you trying to make out like Israel are just this tiny wee country of only a few million, and that the US President would naturally be visited by World leaders in accordance with the overall size and importance of the nation concerned. Israel is very important to the US political elite. The US body politic is massively over represented by Zionist Jews, many of whom would qualify to live in Israel. If there were not all those Zionist Jews in the US body politic etc, then Israel would not be important to the US body politic anymore, let alone 350mill ordinary Americans. It is they and they numerous Jewish organisations that push Israel and Jewish matters to the forefront of importance for politics in the US.

    It also makes no odds if Obama "likes" Benny or not. It is moot. For one thing you do not KNOW who likes who. Unless you have personally hung around with both and off camera. And for another, it is moot what Obama "likes". Does a hotel porter "like" lugging heavy suitcases around all day? As to this deviance into the realms of "science and technology", are you honestly somehow trying to sell us an idea that if it were not for Israel, the United States of America would simply devolve back living in caves or something?

    You have it back to front. All technology that comes from Israel has it's origins in the US and Europe. Moreover, Israel could vanish today, and it would make not one jot of difference to the progress in science and tech to the US or anyone else.

    Israel have been known to steal American tech and sell it though. To China. And who knows who else, because let's face it, its not like they would demonstrate any scruples.

    I cannot help notice that everything comes down to money with what you write. Like discussing the merits of a financial arms deal between two mafia. There is no human or people value. See, I believe I could probably befriend some people that were drug dealers and child traffickers, if I looked hard enough. What they trade in may indeed bring material gain. They may even live a dual life, involved in that trade, yet on the surface "respectable". But I still would not want to align with them. Not even if they donated monies to charity.




    Which is another way of saying that those supposedly there to represent the people actually rarely if ever do, but they do serve their own and each others interests. Between DC and Tel Aviv. One is all Jews. The other has an absurd over representation of Jews, akin to the first Soviet Gov.

    when you resort to so many logical fallacies, its obvious you can't come up with any direct argument of substance. And yes governments serve their own interests - that is how the system is supposed to work since their "own" interests are generally predicated on the "common good".

    That's your disconnect right there. You want to make people believe that a cabal between Israeli and Jewish Zionists in the US Federal Gov somehow serves a "common good". It doesn't. Not for 350million Americans, and not for the rest of the World. Only to the oligarchs, their puppets, and Jewry.


    They may feel they can beat up women and steal their homes, but sorry old bean, they do not have hegemony over words, least of all semites. I don't care who coined it.

    Yet another piece of disjointed logic. "hegemony over words" - I like that turn of phrase. if you familiar with the concept of phrases, how about compound words? I agree that semite has a specific meaning that encompasses a greater group than just jews since it relates to a group derivative language speakers. Anti-semite also has a specific meaning. notice the hyphen? gee I wonder what that does to the definition.

    What would you call a Jew that is not a semite stealing the land of a semite in Palestine?


    I would agree. A Jew coined it, to take hegemony over the word, as they do with lands in Palestine. They have then since used this term to act as a cover for their crimes many and various.


    Actually the "coining" was by Marr, (although first use was apparantely by a jew), who wasn't a jew and who published a number of anti jewish treatise and founded the league of anti-semites.

    Funny how I have to educate an anti-semite as to the origins of the term anti-semite which was "coined" by an anti-semite (recanting before dying btw). The jews did not "coin" it nor did they promote its use until much later, which by that time, the term (and its meaning) had become entrenched in the vocabularly of European nations.

    Like I said, the first use was by a Jew, and like I said if you cannot lay claim to ownership of a word, then you cannot lay claim to anti that word belonging to just you. A Jew who is not a semite, who steals land from semites, is an "anti semite". It's no use just throwing out some term that a Jew coined or said a long time ago, it actually has to have logic to it, and as I have ably demonstrated, it most surely does not.

    Anyway, aside from all of that, they still use it in a punk like manner, and coming from those that routinely steal land and kill children, who cares what they think or say? Caring about that would be like bothering if a rapist called you a bad person for being a smoker
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    What do you expect to find in a dictionary? A picture of Tel Aviv?

    Aha! theres the problem. Jack, get rid of your picture dictionary - they are designed for use by children. Get a grown up dictionary.


    Or perhaps you can grow up and understand you cannot have a debate armed only with a bleeding dictionary.


    I have never said "many". On the contrary, I have always took the view that it is more the minority that don't. I have asked Jews on here what % of Jews America they believe do not support Israel. They estimated around 5%. That is not "many". Is "aligned interests" a fancy term for land theft and beating people up?

    You have used the "many".

    I stopped when you repeated this same mendacious statement. At no time have I ever said many Jews are against Israel, outwith Israel.

    No, but there is sure as hell a few that have drained the blood of children in Palestine alone.

    Really? you think that Israelis are perpetrating the blood libel in palestine? how anti-semitic of you.

    What do you think happens when the shoot and kill them? That they do not bleed?


    And yet it remains a fact that the US is essentially one large mainly Jewish owned corporation.

    What an absolute crock of excrement

    Says the man that brought in a former AIPAC director and a pie chart to prove that the US should be grateful to the Jews.


    :smile:
     
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    Isn't there a middle ground between total domination and displacement of the Palestineans by the Israelis and surrendering to Arab conquest, especially when Israel has now held the upper hand militarily for several decades? How would things have gone in the Cold War if the USA had said we have to kill all Communists or they will kill all Americans?

    I am far from being optimistic and naive on this issue and I agree that the chances of achieving peace are increasingly slim; my difference with HBendor is that he and his ilk in Israel are at least as responsible for the vanishing possibility as are the more extreme elements of the Palestineans. So I will ask again, just what has Israel really done in the last 3 decades to try and reconcile their differences with the Palestineans?
     
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    Ethnic Nationalism, in of itself isn't wrong. I want the Canadians to continue to feel proud about Canada, the Britons should feel righteous about the dignity of the United Kingdom. The Japanese should always feel proud of Japan, the Mexicans of Mexico and so on and so forth.

    Where Ethnic Nationalism crosses the line from loyalty and National bonding, to inappropriate behaviors towards minorities is where the problems escalate. Israel is a particularly special case in that, if one were to ignore political charges of "Anti-Semitism" and focused on the reality:

    Israel's not a State. There can't be any debate about that, it's factual. The "state" of Israel was created via the same ethnic cleansing the Nazis did to the Polish. In my mind, the greatest form of Anti-Semitism comes from the Jewish themselves, who try to deny the Palestinians personhood. Literally and figuratively, the worst crime of the 21st century.

    However, that geopolitical reality is different now. For better or worse, Israel is firmly established. It would be ethnic cleansing in of itself to suggest a return to the '48 Borders. So as righteous as it would be to return Palestine to the Palestinians, sometimes righteousness and justice will forever be elusive.

    And so I insist that Pre-War '67 must be the borders that Israel returns to. A complete and utter withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank. A refusal to do so, no matter what the excuses and I would have to contemplate military action to enforce U.N law.

    And I have to be honest: Even the '67 borders is generous to the Jewish People, for every time the Jewish and their affiliated political machinerys try to goad the West into furthering their cause(at the expense of our own), the more and more impatient I get.

    I think Israel, and the Jewish(whether of the political or of the casual community) People have a gross overestimation for how long Western/European Peoples can handle broken promises, threats and blackmail. A relationship must be two-way, this one-way relationship had its "purpose" at a time where the Jewish seemed vulnerable.

    That time is over, it's clear that not only are the Jewish not vulnerable, but they're bullies in the region and even in their own neighborhoods.
     
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    The most audacious thing I have read on this thread was the admission that someone had "unconditionally supported" a rogue, racist, land stealing state for thirty entire years, the kind of external support I may add that allows Israel to have done such things for those 30yrs, who then rebrands themselves as an "Anti Zionist", before feeling that they are now able to label men like Gilad Atmzon "anti semites".

    Literally.

    My jaw has been on the floor since I read that. We(and those like us), are being told that we cannot care about human beings in Palestine, by someone that "unconditionally supported Israel"(and all that entailed), for almost half of Israel's entire life. Maybe that was the "fluffy half", the 30 yrs in which they only gave kisses and roses to the natives?

    I also find that in almost every case, when a so called "anti Zionist" starts calling Gilad an anti semite, that they have probably not long heard about him, and have almost never attended a lecture by him, or read any of his own books.

    We can see such types here, and as you can see, the very patient Gilad makes them look like utter drooling fools...

    [video=youtube;kYecmT2GhHQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYecmT2GhHQ&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
     
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    PS.

    [MENTION=62482]America[/MENTION]n Nat.

    Don't forget the rewards(to the common enemy) of controlled dissent.

    Example(it works esp well when it assumes a banner of "good").


    ***



    Human Rights Watch Misinformation on Syria

    "HRW and likeminded quasi-human rights/progressive groups and sources front for wealth, power and privilege. Well-known corporate foundations provide funding.

    They include Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Soros, and MacArthur among others. Money they supply is tainted. It's dirty.

    Services rendered in return are required. Conflicts of interest are rife. Information provided is cooked to serve them.

    Followers are deceived. They're betrayed. NGOs like HRW, Amnesty International, and others like them are imperial agents.

    From its 1978 beginnings, HRW delivered pro-Western/anti-Soviet propaganda. It's a reliable Western propaganda instrument.

    Executive Director Kenneth Roth is a former federal prosecutor. Former HRW head Aryeh Neier hired him. He left to become president of Soros' Open Society Institute.

    Deputy Executive Director for External Relations Carrol Bogert served as Newsweek's editor, correspondent and bureau chief. Other past and present members have ties to sources representing US foreign policy interests.

    AI operates the same way. According to Francis Boyle:

    "Amnesty International is primarily motivated not by human rights but by publicity. Second comes money. Third comes getting more members. Fourth, internal turf battles. And then finally, human rights, genuine human rights concerns."

    To be sure, if you are dealing with a human rights situation in a country that is at odds with the United States or Britain, it gets an awful lot of attention, resources, man and woman power, publicity, you name it. They can throw whatever they want at that."

    "But if it's dealing with violations of human rights by the United States, Britain, Israel, then it's like pulling teeth to get them to really do something on the situation."

    "They might, very reluctantly and after an enormous amount of internal fightings and battles and pressures, you name it. But you know, it's not like the official enemies list."


    http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/09/12/18743134.php

    - - - Updated - - -

    As of June 2011, the organization&#8217;s annual expenses totaled $50.6 million.

    The George Soros Open Society Foundation is the primary donor of the Human Rights Watch, contributing $100 million of $128 million of contributions and grants received by the HRW in the 2011 financial year.

    The $100 million contribution from the Open Society Foundation will be paid out over ten years in $10 million annual instalments.

    Human Rights Watch was founded as a private American NGO in 1978.

    Kenneth Roth is an American attorney and has been the executive director of Human Rights Watch since 1993.

    Hilariously, their former chairman, Robert L. Bernstein wrote an OpEd for the New York Times criticizing Human Rights Watch for what he considered its unfair treatment of Israel.
     
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    “The BDS clearly changed its goal statement.”


    “BDS has given up on the most essential and crucial Palestinian principles.”

    **

    BDS mission statement which many organizations have endorsed in 2005 reads:

    “1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall”


    BDS mission statement of TODAY reads:

    “1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall”


    “Another clue comes from BDS Campaign founder Omar Barghouti‘s
    book, Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions: The Global Struggle for
    Palestinian Rights.

    In the introduction, Barghouti describes the goal as
    some Zionist right wing sources name George Soros and his Open Society Institute
    as helping to fund BDS and some of its member organizations. We know
    that Soros is a “soft” Zionist and wants to preserve a Jewish state. Is
    his funding
    or that of any other funding organizations a reason for the change in
    the mission statement?

    A full disclosure of funding sources and amounts, as well as any and all conditions of funding is needed. In
    addition, the use of those funds, including line item amounts, is needed
    in order to demonstrate accountability.”

    **


    "This is what happens when “pro-Palestinian” organizations gets dominated by “anti-Zionist” who foster unspoken sympathy with “Israeli” Jews. They can -and they do, dominate, manipulate and steer in order to change the aims of Palestinians and of our pro-Palestinian organizations hoping to cause least harm and to protect the future of today’s mass murderers.

    They influence Palestinian leadership, they select and promote those who are mailable and influenceble and campaign to smear and kick out sincere Palestinians with clear vision and determination, those who campaign for FULL Liberation of Palestine and reinstating FULL rights of Palestinians, including prosecution of war criminals, robbers and child-murderers.

    http://nahidaexiledpalestinian.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/hijacking-and-steering-bds-movement/
     
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    Well, according to their strategy, Israel must remain the only strong power in the ME.

    That is why countries, that have not violated anything and do not threaten anybody, are constantly suffering under imposed by USrael sanctions, and these countries are infiltrated by "rebels", that are on the payroll of USrael.

    All the countries that surround Israel must become small fragmented and backward medieval theocracies, that is why they support coups against moderate modern leaders, calling them "dictators", and bomb secular ME countries into the Stone Age.

    That was the case with Iran, when they removed Mossadegh and installed a mediaeval despot, and this policy continues till today.

    If Zionists are not stopped, they will eventually bomb any ME country into a mess, the Europe will be flooded with ME-refugees, because they dream about an Empire from Euphrates to Tigris, like it was "promised" in their Holy Books.
     
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    These "students" are just pathetic.

    Nobody from the crowd has ever read any book of Gilad, but they are protesting against his books.
     
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    Precisely.

    And that is not at all untypical of the brainwashed herd, who arrogantly by the way, believe they and only they are "ON THE SIDE OF GOOD".

    Staggering when ignorance and arrogance form a merger.
     
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    Their behavior is common. People look up something on he web and
    see anti-semite or holocaust denier attached to a name and
    they think they have someone pigeon holed. They often do not even
    clearly understand the terms, much less the person that has had them
    attached to them, usually in an ad hominem way.

    This is the great work that Atzmon has done and is doing. He works with identity
    politics.

    When you have so many terms being thrown around -- anti-semite, Jew, Zionist,
    Israeli, Talmudist, etc. it is easy to get lost. There is also a difference between
    criticism and prejudice.

    Gilad does a good job of defining these terms as well as defining their associated mythologies,
    religions, and histories.

    He is a very educated, thoughtful, and caring man.



     
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    However, Art, let us place Gilad to one side for now, and remember, anyone who says or even make suggestion of the fact that the issue is more than "political" is obviously a hateful Nazi that wants to kill six million Jews, okay?

    Obviously.

    I mean, it goes without saying that if you dare say, listen to others, or form your own thoughts, that the next thing you know you will be gassing the Jews all day and all night. Naturally. This is OBVIOUS of course.

    Here are a couple of my fellow Nazi's That Want To Kill Six Million Jews, who agree with my position that this is much deeper and more complex than a simple matter of "political".

    Two noble Aryan brothers, with not one drop of Jew blood in them.

    The first one is (and I will use his real name) Heinreich Von Joohater. He is a reputable scientist.

    The second will be (again his real name) Otto Gethemallshtr.

    Along with me, these two men are pretty much the three that are presently plotting to gas 6million Jews.

    We were going to do it today, however someone had to get their car fixed, so we have pencilled it in for next week.

    I give you the first Jew hater....


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    Please read carefully, and at the end, you tell me who is better place to say this?

    This man. Or a non Jew on the internet that demands it must all be "political" or you are an evil Nazi?

    ;)

    Mordechai Vanunu (Hebrew: &#1502;&#1512;&#1491;&#1499;&#1497; &#1493;&#1488;&#1504;&#1493;&#1504;&#1493;) (born 14 October 1954), also known as John Crossman

    is a former Israeli nuclear technician who, citing his opposition to weapons of mass destruction, revealed details of Israel's nuclear weapons program to the British press in 1986.

    He was subsequently lured to Italy by a Mossad agent, where he was drugged and abducted by Israeli intelligence agents. He was transported to Israel and ultimately convicted in a trial that was held behind closed doors.

    Vanunu spent 18 years in prison, including more than 11 in solitary confinement. Released from prison in 2004, he became subject to a broad array of restrictions on his speech and movement. Since then he has been arrested several times for violations of those restrictions, including giving various interviews to foreign journalists and attempting to leave Israel. He says he suffered "cruel and barbaric treatment" at the hands of Israeli authorities while imprisoned, and suggests that his treatment would have been different if he were Jewish (Vanunu is a Christian convert from Judaism.)


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    That's the intro.

    Now, let's see why this WHITE SUPREMACIST JOO HATER was especially anxious about Israel having nukes, shall we..?


    "Mordechai, there are a lot of nations that have nuclear weapons. What is it about Israel having them that makes you so nervous? "

    VANUNU - Because Israel wants to use them, to cause genocide and holocaust on other innocent citizens. It has always been a part of Israel's secret policy. And also by having them, Israel will use them as a threat to avoid making peace with the Arab world as well as imposing her policies on those peoples. As long as she has them, she will continue on in her policies of not making peace, of occupation and of neglecting the Palestinian suffering caused by the refugee camps that have existed for more than 50 years


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    Moving on.....


    What made Mordechai Vanunu betray his country and then change his religion?



    Yes, this is a very good question and very important. You are right, it is not usual to have a person come to these hard conclusions. As far as my conversion, it started at the very early age of 15 or 16. I was raised in the Jewish religion and in a Jewish family. Israel and Judaism were considered as one nation, one big family, one tribe. I began criticizing and rejecting Judaism over the point of view that these Jews are teaching injustice through their Judaism. In the same way that Jesus Christ also criticized Judaism 2,000 years ago, I was unwilling to accept what they teach, and later converted to the opposite of Judaism.

    The Jewish tribe teaches that there is only one Chosen people of God. They teach of their superiority, taking literally word-by-word the writings in the old bible. And I decided therefore that after 2,000 years these ideas were nonsense. There are 6 billion people around the world, and all of them are equal, all are part of the human race. There is no such thing as a super race. We should all respect and love each other, and that was the beginning of my rejecting Judaism and my accepting of Christianity, of following the teachings of Jesus Christ and of accepting humanity. I am not a religious man, I am not going to become a priest. I did all of this for my humanity and for my beliefs.

    So, I chose my own way and began criticizing the Jewish faith. Those who teach Judaism run the lives of those under them, telling them what they must do every hour of every day, issuing many orders about everything, from waking up in the morning to going to sleep, but at the same time they do not teach them to respect other human beings, to accept non-Jews and to believe that non-Jews are like them. They teach that only the Jews are the chosen people. So, this is Judaism, a collection of primitive traditions thousands of years old that have not changed.

    The world has changed in the last 2,000 years and the Jewish people need to accept and understand this change, and especially if they want a democratic country. You cannot have a state and run it as they did 2,000 years ago. They came to Palestine in the name of the Bible and in the name of their god and took this land that was promised to them thousands of years ago. In the name of this god, they took the land, expelled the people and gave them hard, cruel, barbaric lives for the last 60 years. This way of thinking, this faith cannot exist within this new age, and it was this that also led me to expose Israel's nuclear secrets.


    http://www.currentissues.tv/VanunuTranscript.html
     
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    I'm not sure about the man in the video, but in the US, if you are publically denounced as an anti-Semite or anti-Israel, you might as well have a Star pinned to your chest. You're done.

    Jesus could have ran for President, and if he said something about Jew's he would have taken a drop in the polls.
     

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