Yet more lies + war mongering from the usual suspects..

In this copy of a Jew hating white supremacist book, some Nazi here mentions a bunch of Jew hating Nazi stuff, about how the issue is not political per se, but something deeper.

But what would HE know.

He's a NAZI.



"In his most illuminating and disturbing book Professor Shahak takes the lid off previously hidden Orthodox Jewish beliefs and practices. He explains how these beliefs are at the heart of the Zionist adventure and constitute a major influence upon Israeli government policies and actions. We are made aware of the paradox of a largely secular state basing its raison d'etre and future direction upon biblical text.


The depth of Orthodox Jewish antipathy toward the gentile, and especially toward Christianity (and Jesus) will come as an unsettling surprise to the many millions of American evangelical Christians who uncritically accept a fawning admiration of all things Israeli repeatedly displayed by the TV evangelists.

Frightening, too, is the near-total control of most Jewish organizations now in the hands of Zionists; it is now almost impossible for a Jew to openly disassociate him or herself from, let alone be critical of, the state of Israel or the aims of Zionism. Whereas the critical gentile must be an 'anti-Semite' so must the critical Jew be 'self-hating'. Whatever your point of view on the situation in Israel, whatever your religion or philosophical perspective, however deeply you hold your convictions, you cannot fail to be challenged by this marvelous book. "

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But I am sure someone has read two lines of a blog about it, so we can dismiss that too.

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This is precisely my point concerning Gilad Atzmon, and also his work.

Let's say you read about a man that has been termed "anti-semite".

Is it because he hates Jewish people all together ? ... no matter what they think...?

Or is he just critical of an ideology that is believed and acted
upon by some Jews ?

The term "anti-semite" can be a nuclear bomb of a term and
is used as such with great effect because of it's strong association
with the "Holocaust", Jewish "sufferings", etc.

Same with the terms "racist", "holocaust-denier", "hate speech", etc, etc.

 

By the way, before I go on, you can see that in my last five or six posts, surely I have given reasonable and decent enough information to indicate most definitely that the issue is more than a one dimensional "political" one, and I have given two totally unrelated and well educated men who were raised as Jews.

If I was bringing forth these two men, one a Jewish intellectual + the other a Jewish nuclear scientists, as testimony to my assertion that it is more than merely "political", then the standard and testimony of those two men would not be dismissed.

But you can rest assured that certain "anti Zionists" who INSIST that it MUST ONLY be a "political problem", almost like you can simply change a party or cast a vote, and it can all be worked out in time for tea, rest assured they will ignore ALL of that information, paying it only casual mention, if at all.

Before going back to their default position of "it's nothing to do with Jews it's just political".

I don't even actually put this information up for them, I really put it up for people like you, because I KNOW they do not WANT to take it in.

It simply does not suit their political correct brainwashing + fixed position to possibly accommodate new information or thinking, since this imposes on their dogma.

Thus they must either ignore the information, attack the writer, or throw their toys out of the pram as a deflection.

That is their three options, because to take on new information would mean to shift on their dogma, and they are NOT going to do that. Their dogma is even more important than what may be true.

 

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If you are a Gentile and believe what Vanunu and Atzmon do you would be a so-called "anti-semite".

If you are of Jewish heritage and culture and believe the same you would be a so-called "self-hating Jew".


We agree that people using these terms are agenda driven and using these terms for derision
rather than specificity and clarity.

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There is something very key that must be addressed here, and I am glad it was cited.

This "History of the Jews", by Simon Schama. Keep in mind this is on BBC, which is a public broadcaster funded by all licence payers.

Anyway, as it happens I did watch this. Curiously, as that was being broadcast on BBC2, I flipped over to another channel while at my friend's, and lo and behold...we had a programme about "THE NAZI'S". Probably not had one for at least a day, and were overdue.

I wasn't the only one who noticed that this was being thrust on us at a time when AIPAC, most Israeli's, most Jewish organisations, various Jewish voices in media and US politics, and some of the leading Rabbi's in the world were calling on the US and Europe to bomb Syria.

Isn't that curious? Esp as they too went with this narrative of "We remember the holocost, so the US has a moral obligation to bomb Syrians to stop Syrians dying". Yup, crazy logic but that is their logic.

Anyway, and anyone fair can watch it if they like, make up their own mind, but whoever Simon Schama is I got about 15mins into it and it dawned on me that this was a hate programme. That is what it consisted of. Even the tone of his voice, every nuance, was hateful. And everyone else was to blame in this pathetic propaganda garbage paid for by dumb licence payers(mind you, the BBC also like paying the wages of child rapists, so I guess this is nothing compared to that).

As I say, by all means go ahead and listen to it one and all , but I defy anyone fair to come back and tell me it wasn't just an hour or two(or whatever it was), of "Everyone else it to blame + poor Jews".

I defy anyone to listen to the tone of Simon Schama at times in it, and come back and tell me he did not sound hateful.

Imagine there being a licence funded programme on BBC2 called The History of The Non Jew, in which a gentile presenter seethed and raged about all Jewish crimes in one big bolted together historical narrative.

Oh no.

That would be too far.

But the other way around, and that is just fine from the BBC.

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But don't take my word for it, since I am sat here in my white hood.

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BBC Bias at its best - Simon Schama's History of the Jews


Tonight we saw as good an example as one is likely to get of the BBC's institutionalised Zionist bias.

Simon Schama's History of the Jews was a travesty of history. Faction not factual.

By his own admission Schama is a Zionist, one of whose central tenets is that anti-Semitism cannot be fought. Schama thus made the facts of the Dreyfus Affair fit into a preconceived mould and botched them all.

Tonight we saw as good an example as one is likely to get of the BBC's institutionalised Zionist bias.

Simon Schama's History of the Jews was a travesty of history. Faction not factual.

By his own admission Schama is a Zionist, one of whose central tenets is that anti-Semitism cannot be fought. Schama thus made the facts of the Dreyfus Affair fit into a preconceived mould and botched them all.

http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/bbc-bias-at-its-best-simon-schamas.html


Story teller masquerading as historian....

 

So why are we trying to dismiss anti-Semite rhetoric and behavior again? I kinda lost you guys when as usual, you went off on some tangent that appears to indicate that those who may be concerned about anti-Semite rhetoric and behavior are wrong in that there is no threat from Jew haters in the world. Or are you all saying that Jews somehow deserve the behavior that some of us are concerned about? It's kind of hard to follow. Probably because it doesn't match up with what I've seen in the real world.

I've seen a lot of anti-Semite attitudes all throughout the Middle East. I've traveled/lived in and interacted with Saudis, Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Kuwaitis, Turks, and Kyrgyz, as well as traveled through UAE and Qatar without much interaction with those peoples. But it was still difficult to determine their views on Israel, both because it was forbidden to talk politics/religion with nationals or TCN's, and because many kept their views guarded. But there were a few, like some Saudi men who I worked side by side with for 6 months. I ate dinner at their homes. Many of them constantly berated Jews, and they shared a common dream in one day Israel would cease to exist. When I pressed as to how, on occasion they would say by killing them if necessary. Pre-9/11, over a couple of Cuban cigars on a dark starry night, I remember specifically saying to the Saudi Air Force captain who I knew well, "Well I don't think you are going to be able to kill every last one of them (referring to Jews)." He then said, very seriously, something to the effect of "Yes we will through the help of Allah and nature; if a Jew hides under a rock, the rock will show us where they are, the trees will tell us where they hide, so that we can kill them all." That's not coming from a poor, hopeless Arab under threat of drone strikes, it came from a Saudi captain, pre-9/11, pre-Cole, pre war on terror.

That's just one example. I can attest to what must be an ongoing for decades and decades propaganda campaign all across the Middle East in regard to Israel and the West. These people were told these things by their leaders. From those of us who read history, it is easy to see a classic method for gaining political power and influence in progress in the ME. It's about demonizing "the other", or an outside enemy, so as to gain popularity and/or cover up one's own shortcomings in governance. And I can also see why these same leaders all fear unrestricted internet access. You are not going to convince me that Jew Hating represents no threat to the world, as I've seen with my own eyes that it most certainly does.

 

How so? Don't you agree with it in your own way?

Haven't you as much as said the reason why Muslims hate America is because of blowback from our own screwed-up foreign policies? Don't you as much think that Israel has it coming from The Noble and Pure Muslims because of all the nasty stuff they've done? So why not take it a step further and admit that the Jews hate Christianity because of the screwed-up stuff Organized Religion has done to them? I think Alexa is fairly close to the truth.

 

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Would you not say has been and continues to be the goal of Israel -- ??

The more confusion and obfuscation that can be cloaked around the Palestinian Occupation
the better. The longer that the clock can tick from 1967 the better. If the clock can tick
long enough to where all the dispossessed refugees have died the Israelis will be on a more equally
perceived footing. Only second generation people of both sides (and younger) lay claim to the land. Since the Israelis
are the occupiers in the land in current time, they have another leg up on their claim as being the people
that are on the land now. And are not the ones that stole it originally. And the current refugees are not
those that were dispossessed. The longer this can be stretched out, the better position the
Israelis will likely have when the time comes when "settlement" and "peace" can no longer be
delayed.

This is why I generally bring up that Netanyahu's primary goal with the Iran
bellicosity is to burn time against the continued building of settlements on
the occupied territories. It's worked well as such for 20 years now. Hey,
milk it for all it's worth.

Viz a viz. The continued enforcement of the Holocaust as the ultimate
tragedy, the continued calling of any possible negativity toward Jewish
or Israeli interests as "anti-semitism" and "hate-speech", and the continued
play as Jew-as-victim in the media all works together to suppress
criticism of Jewish and Israeli agendas.

I guess that is pretty much axiomatic to those that have studied this things
but since we are discussing strategy, so to speak, I thought I would lay it
out there.


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No I most certainly do not, and what is more, while I cannot really be bothered getting deep into it, there are people suffering in the here and now, so why should I give a hoot about people long dead, from long ago? What's the point? I can never figure how one can reconcile a casual indifference to horror in the here and today WHILE whining on about people(any) from hundreds of years ago being dead or what not.

 

Fact is they are sounding just outright psychotic now, at least those that the camera are pointed at, or in the public eye.

"America or someone must bomb Syrians to death to save Syrians"

"American or someone must bomb Syrians to death because we remember the gas chambers, and Assad used gas"

"Iran have a nuke programme, want to nuke the US and Europe, and take over the World"

These are not made up.

These are all genuine assertions made by shot calling Jews over the last week or two alone.

Then we hear some vague and frankly dubious story about a TERRORIST ATTACKING A LITTLE GIRL.

Indeed, it earned not one but two threads on World news.

Quite something.

The girl (called Noam), appears to have magical properties, since it was first reported that she had been shot but "only slightly hurt".

Not since the days of Batfink have I heard of someone that can shrug of bullets with such ease.

But wait. Not so long after, the gun first changed into a toy gun, then the gun story was punted. Instead a knife was brought into the mix.

Anyway, now we had a knife in the mix. Reports still suggested the girl was SLIGHTLY hurt. However, Jewish media made a big play of putting out an ambulance and stretcher. Naturally there was no pic of the girl. Oh. Forgot to mention. We had claims she was DEAD. Even when it was clear she was slightly hurt(by whatever means), go visit the threads, on and on they went, she is DEAD, you are glad she IS DEAD. What is that if not just plain crazy, am I missing a bit of this?

The media there first had the girl playing in the garden outside...and then not.

Then we had the "little girl hiding in the cupboard" meme. Then something about her seeing a man and saying (I quote) "Father father, there is an ARAB". (you probably would find an Arab on Arab land).

Then the gun made a reappearance although this time it was suggested her dad had the gun. I think the knife may have vanished again though.

People are right to be cynical, because this is the sort of stunt they pull time and again, in a series of ways. They cannot argue on a logical level. Why? How can you argue on a logical level when(in this example), you would HAVE to begin from the point that the "Arab" IS the one being "burgled", while the family of that girl ARE the burglars. So that is why they cannot argue it on a logical level.

Instead, they play the emotional not the logical(when people are overly emotional they put logic to one side).

All they do is make some vague claim that contradicts several times, about ONE Jewish girl that was "slightly hurt"(on lands her family chose to invade), and it gets world attention, and two threads on here, with everyone simpering over it.

Not me.

I question stuff and I don't think all emotionally, clouding my ability to question.

This one here gets a nice respectful platform on the vice ridden BBC to spout her Jewish racism and lies.

If it is NOT Jewish racism and lies, please, anyone, tell me what it IS?

[video=youtube;ak43aCg5Cjo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak43aCg5Cjo&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

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The BOOS heard on that video is a very encouraging thing.

During the run up to the Iraq War and also during the Axis of Evil
period, there were just nods and high fives.

Times have changed. I have changed. Thank God for the internet !

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Indeed.

Yet when called out for the warmongering or lie they just told a minute earlier, they will deny saying it, or whine that you are just hating their lies and warmongering "because they are Jews".

Before you get asked to speak about the persecution of the dodo.

 

Organized Religion also did many a great crimes against the Romans(who are our ancestors and whom our language is partly derided from). The religious crusades one could say is the origin of all problems.

 

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Just to be clear on a point before (since someone felt the need to lie about it and twice), I have NEVER said that "many Jews outwith Israel don't support Israel".

I have always and without any exception said the exact opposite, that those that do not are in the smallest % by far and away.

I mean the US specifically here, but it matters not.

It may well be that not every one of them "supports Israel unconditionally for 30yrs", it may not be they are Meir Kahane terrorists, but the fact remains that to some level, the vast majority of American Jews either support Israel or will not speak against Israel.

This idea of there being a lot of dissent among Jews in the US re Israel is fable.

If say support was split, then you would see that split manifest in reality. You don't. You see a few controlled dissent groups, and groups like what's their name, True Torah Jews, whatever that is meant to mean. You get the odd one that makes a career out of it like Max Blumenthal, but he can no more be trusted than Alex Jones, these guys are entertainers, not to be taken v seriously. The former is simply a bit more plausible than the latter, but still they are part of what is really an entertainment industry, passed off as information and news at times.

Anyway, backing my point here...

Dov Waxman,( associate professor of political science at Baruch College and at the Graduate Centre of the City University of New York)


"The coming American Jewish estrangement from Israel is a myth. What actually happens in Israel is much less important to most American Jews than what it stands for in their hearts and minds.

“Whatever their misgivings about Israel’s political direction are, American Jews are not going to abandon it any time soon,”

“In recent weeks, liberal Jews in Israel and the United States have been warning that American Jews will become alienated and estranged from Israel if Israeli politics shift further to the right.

“These warnings, though no doubt heartfelt, are based on nothing but the writers’ own sense of anguish about Israel’s current political trajectory, and a conviction that this anguish is widely shared by American Jews and will lead many to emotionally distance themselves from Israel.

“They assume that because American Jews are mostly liberal and Israel is becoming increasingly illiberal this is bound to undermine the attachment of American Jews to Israel. This assumption is simply wrong.

“Israel, for them, is less a country, than a symbol. They care about Israel because of what it represents symbolically — Jewish power, pride, security, and survival.

“What actually happens in Israel and what Israel does is much less important to most American Jews, than what it stands for in their hearts and minds. As such, they will continue to care about Israel and feel emotionally attached to it, regardless of which government is in power.”

“It is only because they identify with Israel that American Jews can be ashamed of it (or conversely, take pride in it). We are only ashamed of people, groups, or countries that we feel we belong to in some sense — we might be ashamed of a member of our family, for example, but we do not feel ashamed by the actions of someone who is completely unrelated to us. To be ashamed of Israel, therefore, is to be somehow attached to it.

“Whatever the outcome of next week’s election, then, the attachment of American Jews to Israel will not be affected by it. This attachment is still strong, despite persistent anxiety about the alleged distancing of American Jews from Israel. This is good news for anyone concerned about the American Jews’ closeness to Israel, but bad news for anyone hoping that the prospect of American Jews becoming estranged from Israel might lead Israelis to think twice before voting for right-wing parties.”

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/what...an-jews-won-t-abandon-israel.premium-1.494559

 

I so wish I was among the audience:

"So, what do we make of your belief that your God's chosen people? Any more or any less Irrational? "

 

She's a Jewish racist, but give her a dress, a pair of spex, and a suspiciously lesbian looking haircut + it's all fine.

No one, and I mean NO ONE ON THIS LAND would be ALLOWED to speak that way about THEM, and incite this way about THEM.

She's a neurotic nutter and does NOT merit a platform, but then it is the BBC, and as we all know, they like to employ all sorts of Jewish racists, or sexual perverts.

Here she is in Israel itself raving like a Jewish racist...

She is deluded, but calls everyone else deluded. So either she is right and everyone else is wrong, or she is just yet another blowhard too fond of the sound of her own ugly voice.

[video=youtube;aOCjtHagaTw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=aOCjtHagaTw[/video]

 

You are being dishonest
i asked for a reply to your hilarity that Jewsih member of the Palestinian Liberation Movement keep care to keep those motivated by their hatred of Jews out.

Here it is again

 

and again you refuse to answer the point in post. An individual who is interested in the removal of European Jesw's to Israel (as well as the removal of Muslims to 'Muslims Countries' ) has a completely different agenda to those working for a just solution for the Palestinians.

There interest is WN - The kind when the particular hatred is Jews and you will bet that Jews and the rest of the population will not allow this. Most European countries have laws against this.

Sometimes people pretend to have an interest in the Palestinians but then something obvious neonazi's shows itself. Now while generally they have stuck to white Nationalist, Jew hater sites, we have seen here some time to slip. It is not difficult to see the motivation of gross jew hatred behind everything they say. At to go back to the beginning wanting to force them to live in the place Moon always told them to 'go home to' says they rest. Our current nazis's want all Jews in Israel doubtless to be nuked 2 days later.


Just be honest that you are a white Nationist nazi. I as you know have already seen you in such avaitor, was it SS on another site .....mmmm and found you posting at stormfromt once. why not just go back there or ask the sick to provide a forum for 'racist, antisemites and white nationalists. You could all have a ball.

 

But jack we both know that she is correct when she claims that many people have intransigent attitudes towards Israel and no amount of facts and information will change that intransigence.

Other than that, she is a biased as any jew hater.

 

Maybe A: International Violations of Law and B: Ethnic violations of the Native Countries that they are immigrants of, causes that intransigence.

Is it perhaps possible for us to actually assign blame where it belongs? If so, we'll gladly take "credit" for not wanting to put up with this nonsense any longer. Perhaps, we put up for it for the better part of the last 50 years.

It has worn out its welcome, and we want peace and nothing more to do with their nonsense. If the Iranian and the Jewish were to engage in a blood-letting war, as long as no European or Westerner is involved, I'll cheer my hearts out for a slow conclusion . At that time, they most certainly cannot blame European-Western peoples for their losses lol.

 

Well at least you admit to your intransigent ignorance to the extent of trying to excuse it. that's a start.

 

What are we ignorant of? You yourself admitted that these were INTL. Violations? If anything, we're open to the perspective of truth .

If Israel actually used its nukes, I imagine there would still be a consensus of people trying to defend that action. One can't tell me that it isn't a cult, or there isn't manipulation when faced with such a contrived notion of "support".

The nation that "says" it'll follow the law, but never actually follows it lol.

 

No idea what you even mean by that.

Perhaps you can dredge up another AIPAC director with a pie chart, to explain it?

 

Some manners, such as a please or a thank you would be nice.

Now, if you care to look back at the many posts I have made on this thread, there should be no need for you to be confused or call me "dishonest".

I stand by what I say though, and this applies to anyone that stated the same. No one that gave "unconditional support" to Israel for thirty years is in any position to lecture anyone about anything. If I were an Israeli Jew, I would not trust such a person. Were I Palestinian I would not trust such a person. And as neither of those, I still would not trust the word of such a person. I'm sorry, but when you "unconditionally support" a state like that for three decades, it is not down to naivety. It is down to clear choice. And having done so, such a person is in no position to point the finger at anyone else, be he is Israeli Jew, a Palestinian or otherwise. After all, it is not as if one suddenly has a moment of epiphany after thirty whole years, is it? That's longer that most of the Israeli's on here have been alive. It's not like one can claim "they just didn't know". Not when their position was one of "unconditional support", as per your own statement.

That's my position + I would apply that to anyone that had said the same thing.

Thanks

 

Lol.

Are you quite done?

Is this a way of making yourself feel better after 30 years of "unconditional support" for a racist state that murders children?

If it helps, bash ahead.

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Oh my word.