Nuclear Deal Reached With Iran

No it's not.
And the error of that is so huge, that I'm not going to respond to your nonsense.

 

When the term....Ethnically Cleansed is used in a sentence specific to a region....thus....The the Christian's ethnically cleansed Bosnia and Herzegovina of Muslims....this can mean anything from forced displacement to murder.

But when you place it in a sentence as you have....The Jews Ethnically Cleansed 700,000 Palestinian's.....it is much more specific to Murdering them and reading how you post I would not be surprised this is te manner you wanted people to understand it as happening.

The facts are every time you are asked to provide proof or a link you have failed to do so.

AboveAlpha

 

I am on the tail end of this discussion but what do you think happened to the Plains Indians when the buffalo hunters decimated the buffalo?

There is more than one way to ethnically cleanse a population.. You can for instance destroy their olive groves and wall them off from farms, orchards, schools, family and mosques.

 

And your proof that they needed to determine if Iraq was miraculously not in violation is .....?

And see reply above.

Didn't. It was on the page which I posted and stated it was anti Semitic Holocaust Revisionism and denial. You were the one who sourced the vid and stated it says what it does.

In any case, it says;

"It cannot possibly be incitement to religious or racial hatred to point out that something that is said to have happened, over sixty years ago may not have happened in exactly the way it was reported to have happened, at the time."

Doesn't seem like he is stating the Holocaust as accepted is a fact rather, that he is making a case for revisionism.


"Just as there is no disputing the there is no disputing that atomic bombs were dropped on Japanese civilians the Jewish concept of a Holocaust cannot be denied."

Yes, there is no denying the Jews believe the Holocaust occurred according to what they believe. This statement is meaningless notme.

"But why should it be the only episode in history that is off limits to fair comment and freedom of expression?"

Once again, making the case for revisionism and denying the Holocaust as accepted and proven in historical documents.

"Making certain details of the Holocaust sacrosanct stirs deep suspicion in my mind because it could mean that there are those who wish to reflect certain facts which may not wear well on themselves. "

Nowhere is he saying the Holocaust where six million Jews were murdered systematically is a fact.

Nice try though.

88!

 

Understand....I am not disputing what happened when the state of Israel was created but the manner in which he posted was akin to saying the Israeli's killed 700,000 Palestinian's.

One of the reasons that Truman went along with the creation of Israel was the complicity of the Arabs in assisting the Nazi's.

Now...as I have said I am all for the FACTS and let the truth and chips fall where they may but at this date in 2013 there is a clear and fair plan called the Road Map that will give the Palestinian's what they want and need and I am all for it.

But there are certain realities that exist and I KNOW that these realities exist and the biggest road block to preventing a lasting peace is the GREED of all parties Leadership.

Take Arafat for example....$20 to $25 Billion Dollars that even Hamas and Fatah agreed Arafat had stolen from the Palestinian People and they even offered to let Arafat's relatives keep 10% of the total of that $20 to $25 Billion if they returned the rest.....but they did not.

RIGHT NOW.....Hamas and Fatah is working with the U.S. State Dept. Treasury, World Bank, Federal Reserve all in an effort to secure and recover these STOLEN Palestinian AID funds which have been moved from Swiss accounts and into Off Shore Banks such as those in the Cayman Islands as the Swiss under U.S. Pressure can no longer refuse to give information on stolen AID funds.

AboveAlpha

 

The Arabs didn't assist Hitler.. The Bosnians fought for about six months.

Truman was not a fool.. He knew the Mufti was trying to stop the flood of European Jews into Palestine.. .. after 600,000 refugees had been accommodated.

He also expressed his distain in a letter to Eleanor Roosevelt about how those who are bullied and oppressed become bullies and oppressors given the chance.

 

The leader of the Muslims in pre-Israel Palestine, Grand Mufti Mohammad Amin Al-Husayni, was closely allied with, and actively assisted the Nazis throughout the Second World War.

Al-Husayni met with Hitler several times, and was hosted in Berlin as the Nazis’ honored guest for most of WWII. He was given a personal tour of the Auschwitz death camp by Heinrich Himmler, where he reportedly “admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently”. Al-Husayni was also a leader in the recruitment of hundreds of thousands of Muslims for the German SS, and actively worked with the Nazis towards bringing the Holocaust to Palestine, including planning a chemical attack on Jewish civilians in Tel Aviv. Yasser Arafat, the next major Palestinian leader after Al-Husayni, was proud to have served as one of his troops in 1948, and considered him "our hero".

Muslim anti-semitism and support for the “Final Solution” have continued to this day, with calls to “kill all the Jews” routinely broadcast throughout the Muslim world. State-sponsored newspapers publish articles thanking the Nazis, while major religious figures preach killing the Jews “down to the very last one”. Holocaust denial is also openly preached – even by history professors, and in school textbooks. Books such as Hitler's Mein Kampf and the antisemitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are bestsellers in several Muslim countries, while Muslims in demonstrations hold signs bearing such slogans as “Re-open Auschwitz” and “God Bless Hitler”.



“Kill the Jews wherever you find them, this is pleasing to Allah.”

- Mohammad Amin Al-Husayni, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, 1943

You were saying?

AboveAlpha

 

He met with Hitler once and Hitler wouldn't shake his hand..

Husayni also arranged a ransom whereby Jews could be transported to safety in Spain. The Zionists objected.. and the possibility died.

The Arabs as a body didn't know about the Holocaust, but all leadership acknowledged it.. That is in the archives.

IN 1945 at Bitter Lake Ibn Saud told Roosevelt .. "Why not give the Holocaust survivors the best land in Germany."

The Jews of Europe had few options.. The US and UK and Cuba.. all turned them away when they were trying to escape the Nazis.

The resentment of the Arabs comes out of the cruel idea that the Palestinians should pay with their blood and land for disgusting persecutions of Jews in Europe.

The Palestinians and the Arabs didn't write the Nuremburg Laws from 1933 to 1939.

 

You will have to provide proof to most of these statements as I am not aware of any proof existing.

Links please?

AboveAlpha

 

Later... I'm going to bed.. I get really tired of people like you.

Do the work.

 

Tired of people who post facts and ask for verification of proof of statements by other members that they cannot find themselves thus adding to the probability that your reply to me is untrue?

I can see why you would get tired of having to prove untrue statements you have made up.

AboveAlpha

 

I found your proof!

 

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I suppose this is just people badmouthing the pro Jewish guy though.

 

Nice set of posts.

Nice FACTS....not just someone making up their own version of History.

AboveAlpha

 

Well, it's only Wiki and should be used for info purposes only however, it is sourced to a fair degree and, the sheer volume of this hateful characters association with other Jew hating entities and his actions seem to add up to one vile piece of work.

 

Are you conscious of the irony in a British citizen scolding an American about his country's foul deeds in Iran? Was not Iran once part of the British Empire? And didn't that Empire do horrific things around the world for centuries in its pursuit of wealth and power? In my opinion, it was a tragic error for the US to pursue empire. Our country was founded on a very different vision, but time seems to have eroded our commitment to liberty and the Constitutional Republic. I believe the US has done itself more harm than it knows. We certainly should not have removed Mossadegh, but I still wonder at people mulling this 1953 crime when there has been so much wrongdoing since, by so many countries. That action was of puny significance when weighed against the tide of oppression and death sweeping the globe. Even as we write, Britain is asserting its imperial prerogative in Gibraltar(!), and the Falkland Islands were not that long ago. The taste for empire, once acquired, is difficult to quit.

 

Yeah, but it seems that the nuclear weapon is only one security guarantee for some regimes which don’t want to share the fate of Gaddafi or Saddam. And they will work on it.

 

Not sure what those two regimes have in common outside of being oppressive dictators as they certainly didn't go down the same way.

 

Unfortunately the sword law rules lately. And the fate of Gaddafi & Saddam is a good and clear message for North Korea, Iran etc – “Si vis pacem, para bellum/make the nuclear weapon”.

 

One would be mistaken if they believed this as Qaddafi fell because he oppressed his own people and was overtaken by their power which was assisted by radical Islam while Saddam was deposed by the world as he refused to allow for inspections of what he stated was a peaceful adherence to ceasefire conditions which he refused to adhere to.

In short, if Gaddafi had nukes, it would have done nothing to aid his position except provide more aid from the west to secure those sites prior to the radicals taking them over and, if Saddam had them, they would have been long destroyed by Israel or the US or, Iran would be a smoking crater at this point along with Iraq from the combined power of the Great Powers and US.

As for NK, all it will take to turn them into a vacant desert is an attack on South Korea, then there won't be a darned thing to dissuade the US from poking a hole in the earth to end the problem.

 

Ehmm, You justified it against the Jews...., Its the "losing" part you are really against of.

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4459309,00.html

Quake strikes near Iran’s nuclear plant !! The Pershians are at high death risk

 

This has nothing to do with left or right, but everything to do with historical fact. America, with Britain's connivance, set up Ajax for the sole reason of access to Iran's oil.
America is now reaping the consequences of its idiocy in meddling, as it always does, in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation.
Washing your hands of events with the infantile 'nothing to do with us what the Shah does' attitude is about as stupid as giving a child a loaded gun and then claiming you are not resposible for the consequences when it shoots someone.

Historical fact; the CIA overthrew a democracy for oil. Admit that any consequences you are dealing with are simply the latest in the chain of events America instigated in 1953.

 

Historical fact; the CIA overthrew a democracy for oil. This has nothing to do with left or right, and to absurdly absolve America of any responsibility for the consequences is no different to giving a child a loaded gun and saying, 'it wasn't our fault he shot the neighbour...'
You raised another name, that of Cambodia and America's support for, and nurturing of, Pol Pot and his genocide. All that was done because America's absurdly inflated ego got bruised when the hated Vietnamese invaded Cambodia. Another example of American crass ineptitude which you attempt to shift blame from.

 

I've just returned from work and am tired but I will return to this piece of nonsense in due course.