Nuclear Deal Reached With Iran

Yes, 1953 was then and this is now, and just recently CENTCOM, which controls the Egyptian generals with millions of dollars of aid, allowed them to overthrow the democratically-elected government of Mohammed Morsi because his brand of liberal democracy is a lttle too scarey for King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, who runs the most repressive government in the world. and who George Bush kisses on the lips.
http://www.centcom.mil/

 

Israel is a colonial project and the Israelis stand by and watch..

Who is really doing the planting and the building and the paving. Who is profiting from cheap workers, and who is manufacturing goods to sell in the West Bank and the Gaza strip. The occupation is much more than the real-estate deal of the settlers.

Aren't you proud of the constant humiliation of check points for these laborers?

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Saudi Arabia threw the Muslim Brotherhood out under King Faisal..

If you think the SAG is repressive you have been reading too much crap for people who have never lived in KSA.

 

What is the tolerance level for women's rights, Christianity, Judaism, and democracy in Saudi Arabia as compared to Iran or Syria?

 

Women have rights in Arabia.. The right to own property, buy, sell and inherit.. They have a right to choose their own husbands.. and write their own marriage contract. The right to divorce and receive support and custody.

Modesty is about social custom.. like driving which was not an issue in the 1950, 1960s and 1970s.. because there were few cars. But, Bedouin women have been driving for decades.

Driving will become more popular.. Drivers are a huge expense and the traffic is basically a horror. I expect that to improve when the news metro is completed.

 

So then Hamas must have taken that little clause out of their charter. When did that happen?

 

Israel helped found Hamas.. The Palestinian Christians and Muslims tried to stop it.. but they were recruiting out of the meanest refugee camps.

 

What you wrote is not only untrue as the Muslim workers get the same wages as Israelis and the voting Israeli Arabs have more than four representatives in the Knesset...
32-Likud
17- Labor
15- Bait Yehudi
10- Yesh Atid
10- Shas religious
06- yahdut Hatorah Religious
05- Hatnua
02- Kadima
11- Arab Parties are now the <FOURTH POLITICAL PARTY in Israel> After Likud, Labor, Bait Yehudi
So what you wrote above is scandalous, we Israeli are not Colonialists, we are the LIVING proof that the Jewish people exist as a people in their homeland.

 

How about Hezbollah? Do they seem like people interested in compromise?

 

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

Hezbollah came into being to protect Lebanon from the Israelis.

 

It seems you believe Hamas and Hezbollah are justified in whatever they choose to do......Israel however has no right exist.

 

The following visitors to the Land will surely stop you laughing...
These visitors left documents of their travel that are readily available in libraries...


Eminent persons...

Some of the eminent persons who visited the Middle East, and left quite an account of their respective voyages… were Royalty, Government Officials, Writers, Painters and Ambassadors… I am giving hereunder (for the genuinely interested reader) a list of the most acclaimed.

Comte De Volney 1787 Travel through Syria and Egypt
Francois Rene de Chateaubriand1806 Itineraire de Paris a Jerusalem
Caroline of Brunswick 1814 Wife of the Prince of Wales 1795
Lady Hester Stanhope 1814 Her memoirs narrated by her physician, Meryon 1846
James Silk Buckingham 1816 Travel in Palestine through Bashan and Gilead 1821
Charles Leonard Irby 1818 Travels in Egypt & Nubian, Syria & the Holy Land
Moses Montefiore 1827 many diaries published
Alphonse Marie Louis de Lamartine 1832 Souvenirs d’Orient
John Lloyd Stephens 1834-5 Incident of Travels…
Alexander Klingdale 1835 Traces of Travel 1844
Edward Robinson 1838 Biblical researches in Palestine 1841
William Wilde 1840 Narrative of Journeys… 1840
William Makepeace Thackeray 1844 From Cornhill to Grand Cairo 1846
James Finn 1845-1863 British Consul Jerusalem and Palestine
Robert Gurzon 1849 Visit to monasteries in the Levant 1849
James Turner Barclay 1851-1854 The City of the Great King 1858
William Holden Hunt 1854 The scapegoat, The Shadow of Death
Arthur Penhryn Stanley 1856 Sinai and Palestine 1856
Edward Lear 1858 Journal of a Landscape 1851
Henry Baker Tristram 1863-64 A Journey of Travels in Palestine 1865
Charles Warren 1867 Palestine Exploration fund (surveyor)
John McGregor 1868 The Rob Roy on the Jordan 1870
Mark Twain 1869 Innocent Abroad
Horatio Herbert Kitchener 1874-1875 Palestine Exploration Fund (Surveyor)
Laurence Oliphant 1881 The Land of Gilead
Rudolph of Austria 1883-1884 Travels in the East 1884
Gertrude Bell 1899 Letters 1927
T.E. Lawrence 1914 The Seven Pillars of Wisdom 1927

 

I couldn't care less about finding such a country. I do know a considerable amount about Soviet strategy during the cold war. The Soviets imposed communism on eastern Europe and they picked the leaders of all of those countries. They crushed the hungarian revolution. they formented unrest in south east asia. They financed revolutionary groups around the world. They fought numerous wars by proxy. They put many of the leaders of their client states in power.

But of course that isn't the issue. You'd rather play a semantic game of little significance in the scope and scale of clandestine operations during the cold war.

 

The "whites" were supported because they were nominally in support of the Czar and were virulently anti-bolshevik, which in principle was anti-democratic.

The phrase "as it turns out..." indicates a latter judgement.

Anytime you play the game of "what if" you can naturally imagine very different results than actual history.

 

I'm not interested in debating with you when you deliberately apply wrong definitions of words.

 

I asked you to prove something like 5 times in a row about the UNSC, and you come up Blix,.. which is empty handed.

They say the Jewish concept of the Holocaust can not be denied.
The Jewish concept is that 6 millions Jews got murdered.
And you call that holocaust denial.

What a joke, and you're absolutely focussed on smearing and insulting.
That has nothing to do with debating, but everything to kill debate in a dishonest way.

 

The roots of the impulse to empire in the US actually go back to the founding of the republic. Part of the motivation for the War of 1812 was a desire by the US to conquer Canada. The Mexican War of 1846 - 1848 was an act of naked aggression that ended with the US annexing half of Mexico. And of course there's the entire concept of Manifest Destiny.

There's really no nation on Earth that is in a position to get on a moral high horse and lecture others. Going back in history to assign blame or decide whose history is worse then others is really a pointless exercise. The question is how do we make a more just, peaceful, prosperous and secure world for everyone today.

Ethnic cleansing is never justified, no matter who's doing it. And what happened to the Jews in the past does not justify what Israel is doing to the Palestinians today. They are entirely separate issues.

I am overwhelmed by your eloquent and erudite response. Truly a profound insight. Although you forgot to tell me that I'm a stinky doo-doo head.

Oh really? You'd better tell these folks then, since they seem to have missed the memo.
http://www.exmuslimblogs.com/

Holy Land? Get real. The only thing holy about that land is all the craters from crazy people killing each other over some gods-forsaken patch of desert.

It would probably help considerably with that if the Israelis stopped forcing people out of their homes and stealing their land.

You can't use a later judgement to explain a previous decision - saying the US decided to support the Whites because the Bolsheviks turned out to be worse then the Tsar years and decades later is rather silly. And the Bolsheviks were not anti-democratic at first; in fact Trotsky was a big advocate for democratic institutions. The Bolsheviks were anti-capitalist, which is entirely a different thing. Marxism was about economics and class structure, not the structure of government. Like I said, it was only later when Stalin came to power that the Soviet Union turned into a police state.

 

'Dictatorship of the Proletariat' Now where have I heard that before? And the Cheka and NKVD were both created under Lenin, not Stalin.

 

Maybe you should jam it up there just a little bit harder so you can give that idea all the consideration it richly deserves.

 

Is it racism, or some other form of contempt, that leads you to compare Iran to a child? The US changed the direction of Iran's government in 1953 for oil, just as you said. That doesn't make the next 26 years of Iranian history solely our responsibility. The attempt to make it seem so by certain Americans has everything to do with their being anti-American leftists.

 

The US NEVER supported Pol Pot in any way. If you think we did, you're grossly misinformed. You provide an unintended example of the American left's rush to blame the US for everything bad, even the actions of the US's worst enemies, such as Pol Pot. Please read some history to overcome your fine "education."

 

Had you read the news, you'd be aware that the Administration has been in a quandary since the start of the "Arab Spring" over what position to take. To put it simply, the choice seems to be between secular dictators and Islamic dictators. We want to support democracy, but what if elections produce leaders hostile to US interests? There has been no satisfactory solution. We also understand the importance of the region, and the Administration is eager to hold onto our alliances. The result has been an impossible mess in which the US seeks at least not to antagonize any major parties.

You charge into the midst of this fraught situation with accusations that the US has a clear bias, and that we're in control! I understand that the left always sees the US as a satanic force, and that leftists can always win applause from other leftists so long as they say something bad about the US, but you've embarrassed yourself here. We're in anything but control. We bought Mubarak, but both Morsi and the generals are new to power, so neither can be seen to be bought. There's no gain in selling out if you're overthrown because of it. Don't forget that the greatest political power in Egypt today is the crowd in the street. No ruler can survive the displeasure of that crowd, so no would-be ruler can sell out. Morsi and the generals both have supporters in the Administration. Some favor Morsi because he was elected by ballot; others favor the generals because they were "elected" by the crowd. Washington is only trying to get on the winning side, and no one is sure which that will be.

 

Well I did prove it five times in a row. The problem is that you for some odd reason seem to believe that Iraq became in full compliance of ceasefire conditions prior to the invasion. In fact, I find this error of yours rather in keeping with your support of the denialsit sites you frequent and defend pretending they are not revisionist cesspools.

No, I say that the entire vid is a sham just as you seem to be confused as to what the wording of the trick phrase you seem to be confused about. Here, allow me to explain yet again;

It said the Jewish concept of a Holocaust cannot be denied. If he had meant that the Holocaust as the Jews believe it to be is factual and cannot be denied he would have said so and, certainly not have stated that Hoess was lying and could not possibly gas the amount of prisoners that he did as the Jews state that he did as does the documented history of the world and, never would have gone onto say that the list of Holocaust deniers he provides "tell it like it really was" since they counter the Holocaust the way the Jews and, the rest of the world and documented history does as well.

The list;

With great respect for those who have tried—though harassed, punished, fined, imprisoned and otherwise abused—to tell it like it really was: Arthur R. Butz, author of The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, a book denying the Holocaust

Robert Faurisson - a French academic who is a Holocaust denier.

Paul Grubach - author of Charles D. Provan and "Nazi Gas Chamber" Nonsense,

Gerd Honsik - Austrian writer and lyric poet, and a prominent Holocaust denier,

David Irving - English writer[1] and Holocaust denier,

Nicholas Kollerstrom - lost his fellowship with UCL after posting what he described as "revisionist" material about Auschwitz on a website known for its Holocaust denial.,

Fred Leuchter - author of forensic Holocaust denial material. In the past, he had been contracted by governmental authorities of several states of the United States to improve the design of instruments for capital punishment, but no longer does so, primarily because of his lack of any formal engineering experience, but also because of charges of running a "death row shakedown" in which Leuchter threatened to testify for the defense in capital cases if he was not given contracts for his services by the state.[1][2][3]

Leuchter became known around the world for his testimony in defense of Holocaust denier Ernst Zündel in 1988.[4] His study for Zündel's trial is referred to as the Leuchter Report after it was published by Zündel as such and is often framed as a scientifically based work of Holocaust denial,

Horst Mahler - has been repeatedly convicted of Volksverhetzung ("incitement of popular hatred") and Holocaust denial and is currently serving a 12-year prison sentence.,

Ingrid Rimland - former social worker, and Holocaust denier,

Germar Rudolf - German chemist and a convicted Holocaust denier,

Bradley Smith - media director of the Institute for Historical Review,[42] founded the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (CODOH).[43] In the United States, CODOH has repeatedly tried to place newspaper advertisements questioning whether the Holocaust happened,

Sylvia Stolz - called the Holocaust “the biggest lie in world history”,

Ernst Zündel - German[1][2] Holocaust denier.

Seems the list of people Alan says "tell it like it really was" are not in agreement with you that the author meant that the Holocaust occurred just as the Jews said it did. In fact, the ones who are telling it like "it really was" regard the Holocaust as a big lie which the author supports.

So tell us again how the author says the Holocaust occurred just as the Jews said it did notme.

"the Jewish concept of a Holocaust cannot be denied" doesn't state that it actually occurred, only that the concept of what they believe cannot be refuted, just as I cannot refute the fact that you believe this guy and the list of people he cites that to him tell it like it "really was" somehow actually believe the Holocaust occurred even though many of them spent time in jail for denying that it actually occurred.

Actually you are the one who has had their posts censored for insults not I.

That is correct and, it is a good thing that there are rules and mods to keep this on track and correct you when you misquote and insult others.

 

I agree entirely with your point about the futility of nations scolding one another. It may be nit-picking, but the War of 1812 was, I believe, fought for three main reasons: the British navy had abducted about 6,000 sailors from vessels flying the US flag and put them to work on British ships engaged in a war with France; the British navy interfered with US ships en route to France, forcing them to go to Britain instead (also because of Britain's war with France); the US was eager to be recognized as a sovereign nation throughout Europe, a status that had not yet been secured in the aftermath of our Revolution, so we refused to suffer abuse by Britain. There were plans to annex Canada throughout the 19th century (Lincoln's Secretary of State, William Seward, was a great advocate of annexation), but no attempt was ever made.

If, as you say, "there's really no nation on Earth that is in a position to get on a moral high horse and lecture others. Going back in history to assign blame or decide whose history is worse then others is really a pointless exercise. The question is how do we make a more just, peaceful, prosperous and secure world for everyone today," then why get on a "moral high horse" about the US? Britain, a country for which I have great respect, does not need to be defended. I remarked on the irony of a British citizen rebuking the US for Mossadegh, considering Britain's role in Iran, and its history of empire. Moral censure was not my aim. I understand that international politics is a matter of power for the sake of national interest, and as such, is essentially an amoral business. No people need apologize for doing what it must to guarantee its future. I expected this sentiment to be reciprocated.

 

Hamas Israel "supported" was very diffrent from Hamas today, you are using the same tactic the Anti-Semites are using.

And for the nonsense on the Beduween, they are not "cleansed", they remain in the Negev and get free modern housing, schools, Jobs - welcome to life in the 21st century. Im sick of this self rightous whinny BS....

 

So much ignorant hatred there I dont know where to start, the Commonism-Zionism relations are a mound of crap, Weissman saying "The Bible is our mandate" was refering to the Jewish right to rebulid the state not that Jews are following the slaying in the OT as a way of life (seriously!), Dryfus trial was "the classic example of justice", in fact the entire European culture is nearly non existant in this book, Europeans had no aspirations for themselves, they just sat there waiting for the Jews to destroy their lives and to kill everyone.

This crap you belive in can be written in fine grammer, give out of context qoutes, strapped in lether casing, whatever, its still a piece of deciving and hateful crap, its tells much more about you then on Jews or Zionism.

Ill try to bust the stinkest quotes in that "book" when I have more time, in the mean time try to use the non corrupted parts of you brain to think if its logical that a nation of Millions of ppl can have a secret "pact" to kill and enslave all other nations in the world.