Jesus was 'Palestinian messenger,' role model

Precisely they do not believe the central tenant of all Christian denominations IE that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son to suffer and die for the sins of humanity only to rise again on the 3rd day, that is Christianity, so once again to assert that Muslims believe in Jesus is like saying that Christians believe in Mohammad and the Koran only that the 5 pillars are not at all necessary for salvation, Mohammad was not the final prophet, and the Koran is not the literal and direct word of God given to Mohammad through the archangel Gabriel.

 

No it's actually a fact the author of the OP is a holocaust denying, Khazar conspiracy theorist, and overt anti-Semite who regularly uses neo-Nazi publications as their source including the British National Front founded and National Alliance run Institute for Historical Review.

 

The writer of this post quotes the Palestinian leader Mahmud Abas who's doctorate thesis is about how the holocaust is a Zionist myth and calls the killing of Jews in WW2 a fantastic lie.

 

The Palestinian Charter disagrees.

 

IMO - Its a BELIEF - It IS - or IS NOT , whatever believers believe it to be.

While Muslims believe Jesus to have been a Prophet + his mother Mary is respected , Muslims are not as disparaging / insulting slanderous as most Jews towards Jesus .

" Insults Against Blessed Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young, A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ) is being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

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Out of contempt, Jesus is also called Naggar bar naggar - "the carpenter son of a carpenter", also Ben charsch etaim - "the son of a wood worker."

More religious insults here :

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud1.htm


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how can one claim "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son to suffer and die for the sins of humanity" and on the other hand say Jesus and God are the same person, IE the Trinity?

both stories are myths based on the same passed down myths before them, a re-write if you will, kinda like Mormons have done, and then claimed they had the most correct version of the myth

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You half correct and half wrong Its unlikely that those who today call themselves "Jews " are descended from "Israelite/Judaens/ or Canaanites.
Todays Palestinians are the descendants of the people who did not leave Palestine and were Arabized around 7th C - AD. :

"The origin of this word lies in “Plesheth”. This is a name appearing frequently in the Bible and have started being known as “Philistine” in English. The world root of “Plesheth” lies in the word “palah” was is a term used generally in the sense of migratory, referring to the Palestinian’s conquest of the coast of Mediterranean. These people were mostly originates of Asia Minor and Greece and gradually became a part of the Arab world.

( The land of Canaan was undoubtedly inhabited by other people many centuries/millennia BEFORE the invasion of barbaric marauding Apiru/Hebrew tribes )

---The Philistines entered in this region not all at one time but in different eras. The first group reached here in the pre-patriarchal period and made a settlement in Gerar, south of Beersheba. The second group arrived from Crete and settled in the southern coastal area where it divided made different settlements into Gat, Ekron, Ashdod, Ascalon and Gaza. These districts were occupied by the foreign settlers coming mostly from the Mediterranean islands.

In the fifth century BC, the region of eastern coast of the Mediterranean started being called as “the Philistine Syria”, a term coined by the Greek historian, Herodotus and used in its Greek language form. In AD 135, the Emperor Hadrian blotted out the name “Provincia Judea” and renamed it “Provincia Syria Palaestina”. This was the Latin version of the Greek name and soon became a name to be used as an administrative unit. This name was shortened to Palaestina and the name “Palestine” was derived from it as a modern and anglicized version.

No changes occurred to this name until after the fourth century had passed when Palestine was divided in to three regions, following the imperial reorganization. The name Palestine was used by the Christian Crusades to regard all three of the divided regions in general and continued to be used for the regions on both sides of the Jordan River in general. Palestine went under the rule of the Ottoman Turks for 400 years where its administration was attached to Damascus. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, the name Palestine was revived and was applied to the land falling under the British Mandate for Palestine. Arabs use the name “Falastin” for Palestine which is an Arab pronunciation of the Roman word “Palaestina.”
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I'm reminded by 1 Samuel 27 - David Flees to the Philistines. to escape from Saul.

And David said in his heart, “Now I shall perish someday by the hand of Saul. There is nothing better for me than that I should speedily escape to the land of the Philistines; and Saul will despair of me, to seek me anymore in any part of Israel. So I shall escape out of his hand.”

David joins with the Philistine leader Achish.

"Then David said to Achish, “If I have now found favor in your eyes, let them give me a place in some town in the country, that I may dwell there. For why should your servant dwell in the royal city with you?” So Achish gave him Ziklag that day.

. Now the time that David dwelt in the country of the Philistines was one full year and four months
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David’s new occupation: a roving bandit.



And David and his men went up and raided the Geshurites, the Girzites, and the Amalekites. For those nations were the inhabitants of the land from of old, as you go to Shur, even as far as the land of Egypt. Whenever David attacked the land, he left neither man nor woman alive, but took away the sheep, the oxen, the donkeys, the camels, and the apparel, and returned and came to Achish.



a. David and his men went up and raided: The Hebrew word raided comes from the verb to strip, with especially the idea of stripping the dead for loot. David would attack these villages or encampments, kill some of the men, strip their bodies for treasure or armor, and rob the people of the village or encampment. Is this a way of life for a man after God’s own heart?



b. The Geshurites, the Girzites, and the Amalekites: David hasn’t totally turned against God and His people. For now, he only attacks the enemies of Israel. This probably gave David some comfort, but it is a small consolation to know that you aren’t as bad as you possibly could be.



c. He left neither man nor woman alive, but took away: Even though he is attacking the enemies of Israel, David is nothing more than an armed robber and a murderer. He kills all the people of the village or encampment he attacks, takes all the spoil, and does all of this without the approval or guidance of God. He now fights wars for profit, instead of for God’s honor.



3. (10-12) David lies to Achish

Then Achish would say, “Where have you made a raid today?” And David would say, “Against the southern area of Judah, or against the southern area of the Jerahmeelites, or against the southern area of the Kenites.” David would save neither man nor woman alive, to bring news to Gath, saying, “Lest they should inform on us, saying, ‘Thus David did.’ “ And thus was his behavior all the time he dwelt in the country of the Philistines.

So Achish believed David, saying, “He has made his people Israel utterly abhor him; therefore he will be my servant forever.”



a. And David would say, “Against the southern area of Judah.” David didn’t lie to Achish because he was ashamed of what he did. He lied to gain favor with Achish. He knew that this Philistine leader would be pleased to hear that David raided his own people of Israel.

b. David would save neither man nor woman alive, to bring news to Gath: In his raids, David killed all the men and the women, so his lie to Achish would not be exposed.
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THe bible is full of examples of Ingratitude , lies , deception , treachery etc.etc.

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Interesting that someone would use Christmas as an excuse to attack Jews.

 

Aha.....

so this why you hate Jews, because of King David......, and we thought you dont have a real reason

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He is not attacking Jews......he is activly defending against them

 

Excellent!

Your drawing misses another box with the legend "Europe" where the tribes of the Northern kingdom of Israel migrated after being exiled by action of the Assyrians.

Actually, by inheritance and power influence, the WHOLE ISRAEL in the modern world is Europe, America and the State of Israel.

 

Thx but we are happy with our state. do come visit.

 

Didn't you read in the bible that after that exile caused by God as punishment, that Jews will come back by the same will of God? And this is the fact that you can't deny: Jews indeed came back. Now, try to remove them again... if you can... lol

Learn it, live it, love it.

 

Just show here how in the world scientifically speaking, Israelites "evolved" into Jews.

You must show step by step the mechanism of such "evolution".

Your failure to demonstrate scientifically such a mechanism in your assumed process of evolution will lead for us the conclusion that you have absolutely no idea of what are you talking about.

Hope for you to come back with a solid presentation. The whole atrium of science is expecting the best from you.

 

Israelites established the kingdoms, the kingdoms got conqured, the ppl was exiled, the exiles were called Jews, what link do you want proven ?

 

Oh, excuse me, but God, Moses and Jacob didn't bless the tribe of Judah alone but the twelve tribes. Unless you think that the current State of Israel borders were the borders of the former kingdom of Judah alone. Please check the maps of the ancient Israel. Was called "Israel" because was formed by twelve tribes.

Was later divided by two, and the kingdom of Judah (Judah and Benjamin) was a very tiny part while the majority was the kingdom of Israel with ten tribes.

Are you "stealing the land of your brothers", the other twelve tribes? I don't think so. Your brothers (living in the exile) are allowing you to use the whole land, but what really belongs to Judah (read Jews) is just a small portion of the current State of Israel. The day I visit MY portion in that land, I might also visit the portion that belongs to the tribe of Judah. I'm gonna be sure to bring the most accurate map showing the borders of the land of each of the twelve tribes.

Thank you for your invitation anyway.

 

Who told you that? Since when the exiles of the Northern kingdom were called Jews?

Perhaps you are reading a pirate book of history made in China or you really suffer of reading comprehension problems.

 

and yet you attack Judaism with every bone in your body.

 

Well, that's a surprise.

 

" The Palestinian Charter disagrees. "
What that ? And who r the Palestinians u talking about.. r they the Arabs living in israel ?

 

I've VISITED . (twice ) and truly cant remember how many times I've been asked - whether , I was Jewish . - ???

As if - it mattered and depended on how - those asking the question would accept me . Every time when I admitted not being Jewish - I couldn't help noticing the reaction and how I was made to feel different

btw - on my "Holy Land Tours " I've net encountered a single Angel - but many demons in military uniforms , officious + arrogant Jews . My attitude changed AFTER my Holy Land tours.

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" Some people call me a terrorist - I consider myself a teacher. "
U can be both u know !!! After all who knows better than us terror is teaches by the arab Palestinians in their schools !!!
And why is every body concerned what we did to Jesus ... after all he was a Jew and his followers were Jewish .. and i don't think Jesus or his followers intended to have a new religion !!!

So all those posts about the " bad jews who killed jesus" r just hatred against jews.
Did any body count how many millions of jews were murdered all over Europe by Christians ?
We dont not blame any body for what happened to the jews for 2000 years even forgive nazi germany for 6000000 jews muederd and we r in good terms with germany today
BUT WE WILL NEVER FORGET IT...FORGIVE YES..FORGET NO NEVER..NEVER..NEVER !!!

 

Sure thing sport, I may have believed it if you weren't a holocaust denying Khazar conspiracy theorist.

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Holy (*)(*)(*)(*), the article didn't mean evolve in the Darwinian sense of the term it meant a cultural evolution from Canaanite to Israelite to diaspora Jewry and the historical and genetic record is well documented.

 

WHY - A SURPISE ?


Killing the wrong one's is not extermination . GOT IT ?

 

Let's not forget it was Zionists terrorists Jewish Gangs - LEHI - IRGUN Haganah etc who introduced terror tactics to the Levant.