Jesus was 'Palestinian messenger,' role model

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons or hypostases:[1] the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit; "one God in three persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature".[2] In this context, a "nature" is what one is, while a "person" is who one is.[3][4][5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

To deny the trinity, the literal crucifixion, and the divinity of Christ is to deny Jesus and when Muslims claim to believe in Jesus it is nothing more than thinly veiled Dawa.

I do not deny they are myths much like I do not deny that Mohammad was not a prophet but a schizophrenic, that the 5 pillars of Islam are nothing but codified brainwashing, and that the Koran is not the literal and direct word of god, but then again I'm not trying to assert that I believe in the Koran and Mohammad as the final prophet as you are trying to assert that Muslims believe in Jesus even though they completely deny all of the central tenants of the Christian faith.

 

Zionists introduced terrorism to the Middle East but Muslims perfected it.

 

2013 !! Who put bombs in buses ?? Arabs. Palestinians.
That's the filth material the Israelis have to deal with.

 

so you never met a bigoted, arrogant Muslim?

just Jews? how interesting.

are you Sunni or Shia?

 

Pure propaganda from our resident holocaust denying Khazar conspiracy theorist, they were not talking about Jesus they were talking about Balaam:

R. Yochanan said (regarding Balaam): In the beginning a prophet, in the end a sorcerer.
Rav Papa said: As people say, "She was the descendant of princes and rulers, she played the harlot with carpenters."

Here we come to the common distortion that references in the talmud to Balaam are really veiled references to Jesus. As we shall soon see, Balaam is not a talmudic codeword for Jesus. Therefore, the passage above is referring solely to Balaam and not to Jesus. Besides this fact, read the passage closely and you will see that Rav Papa is offering a parable that explains R. Yochanan's statement. It is impossible to read R. Yochanan's statement as referring to Jesus and Rav Papa's as referring to Jesus' mother.

R. Yochanan is saying that Balaam had tremendous potential and started out as a true prophet of G-d. However, he turned to evil and in the end of his life became a sorcerer (i.e. user of black magic). This tradition regarding Balaam's descent was also recorded in the Tanchuma [Balak, 5] and in Yalkut Shimoni [Numbers, 771].

Rav Papa adds a parable to explain this. Consider a woman who is married to a powerful ruler who leads their people out into battle. She is used to being the wife of someone strong, whose powerful hands can skillfully manipulate a sword and overcome any opponents. If her husband were to die she would still want to marry someone in a similar position of leadership and strength. Even if this widow is continually passed over by those she wishes to marry, she will still strive for her former glory, and will even marry a carpenter who, while not leading his countrymen out into battle, still must skillfully handle tools. Even when the ability to reach her old glory is obviously absent, she will still try everything possible to reach any position that remotely resembles it.

Similarly, Balaam started out as a man with prophecy (like a prince or ruler). He was capable of seeing the future and even manipulating it through his curses and blessings. However, when he lost that gift when G-d removed his prophecy, Balaam still wanted to see the future, even resorting to such pale comparisons as sorcery and black magic (like a carpenter).

This passage has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus and there is certainly no insult implied towards Mary.

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesus.html

More bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that is self contradictory of your first points IE that Balaam was Jesus, but if Balaam was code for Jesus then how too could Yeshu be Jesus? Way to fail again.

Here we see a story of the famous convert Onkelos who, prior to converting, used black magic to bring up famous villains of history and ask them whether their wickedness saved them in the world to come. In both cases (there is a third case of Onkelos calling up Titus as well) the sinner is being terribly punished in the afterlife while Israel is being rewarded. Presumably, this helped convince Onkelos to convert to Judaism.

As we have explained elsewhere, Yeshu is not Jesus of the New Testament. He is most likely a prominent sectarian of the early first century BCE who deviated from rabbinic tradition and created his own religion combining Hellenistic paganism with Judaism. While Yeshu may be the proto-Jesus some scholars point to as inspiring the early Christians, he is definitely not the man who was crucified in Jerusalem in the year 33 CE.

Interestingly, if someone were to claim that Yeshu in the passage above is Jesus, then Balaam cannot also refer to Jesus because both Balaam and Yeshu are in the passage together. In other words, it is self-contradicting to claim that the passages above about Balaam's mother being a harlot or dying young refer to Jesus and to claim that the passage above about Yeshu being punished also refers to Jesus. You can't have it both ways.

 

Get this : Historians and so-called "Geneticists " make their living from whichever source prepared to pay them and "He who pays the piper calls the tune "


btw - I did not invent the evidence of Ashkenazi Khazarian ancestry links , its there for everyone to evaluate .

Also, re your repetitive crap abt me being a holocaust "denier" .. please tell which part of the holocaust story do you think I deny ?


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You're thinking of the Arab Black Hand.

 

most recent genetic research proves the Khazar theory is bunk.

75% of Ashkenazi and Sephardic mitochondrial DNA is from around Northern Italy, 15,000 years ago. The rest is similar to Palestinians, Lebanese, Jordanians, Kurds, Egyptians, Assyrians.

The majority of the male haplotypes are Middle Eastern.

Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews share little in common, genetically, with the Peoples of the Caucusas, such as Armenians, Georgians, Dagestanis, Azerbaijanis.

 

We've already established that your assertions that these numerous peer reviewed genetic studies are some sort of Jewish funded propaganda effort is based on nothing but your own delusional anti-Semitism.

Here are the names of the authors and the Universities who "funded" the studies.

Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

M. F. Hammer*†‡,
A. J. Redd*†,
E. T. Wood*†,
M. R. Bonner*,
H. Jarjanazi*,
T. Karafet*,
S. Santachiara-Benerecetti¶,
A. Oppenheim‖,
M. A. Jobling**,
T. Jenkins‡‡,
H. Ostrer††, and
B. Bonné-Tamir§

Author Affiliations

*Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; ¶Department of Genetics, Università degli Studi di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy; ‖Hadassah Medical School, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91120, Israel; **Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, England; ‡‡SAMIR, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg 2000, South Africa; ††Department of Pediatrics, New York University Medical Center, New York, NY 10016; and §Department of Human Genetics, Sackler School of Medicine, Ramat Aviv 69978, Israel

Communicated by Arno G. Motulsky, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (received for review November 17, 1999)

I guess the Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; ¶Department of Genetics, Università degli Studi di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy; **Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, England; ‡‡SAMIR, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg 2000, South Africa; ††Department of Pediatrics, New York University Medical Center, New York, NY 10016; and the peer review process of the University of Washington are all in on the Jewish conspiracy.

There were only two Israeli medical laboratories involved in the study the ‖Hadassah Medical School, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91120, Israel; and the §Department of Human Genetics, Sackler School of Medicine, Ramat Aviv 69978, Israel, so I guess that invalidates the entire study in the world of the rabid anti-Semite.

1. Atzmon G, Hao L, Pe'er I, Velez C, Pearlman A, Palamara PF, Morrow B, Friedman E, Oddoux C, Burns E, Ostrer H. "Abraham's children in the genome era: major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." American Journal of Human Genetics 2010;86(6):850-859, doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015.
1) Department of Pediatrics, Human Genetics Program, NYU Langone Medical Center, New York, NY; 2) Department of Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; 3) Department of Computer Science, Columbia University, New York, NY; 4) Department of Genetics, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; 5) Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel; 6) Center for Genome Informatics, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Newark, NJ.

I suppose the Department of Pediatrics, Human Genetics Program NYU Langone Medical Center, New York, NY; the Department of Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; the Department of Computer Science, Columbia University, New York, NY; the Department of Genetics, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; and the Center for Genome Informatics, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Newark, NJ are all Zionist mouthpieces as is the peer reviewed American Journal of Human Genetics.

In this case the only Israeli University involved in the study was Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel; so I guess that once again the entire study is invalidated in the world of the rabid anti-Semite.

2. Behar DM, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, Parik J, Rootsi S, Chaubey G, Kutuev I, Yudkovsky G, Khusnutdinova EK, Balanovsky O, Semino O, Pereira L, Comas D, Gurwitz D, Bonne-Tamir B, Parfitt T, Hammer MF, Skorecki K, Villems R. "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature 2010;466:238-242, doi:10.1038/nature09103. The Estonian Biocentre and Department of Evolutionary Biology, University of Tartu, Tartu 51010, Estonia, the Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics, Ufa Research Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Ufa 450054, Russia, the Research Centre for Medical Genetics, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow 115478, Russia, the Dipartimento di Genetica e Microbiologia, Università di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy, the Instituto de Patologia e Imunologia Molecular da Universidade do Porto (IPATIMUP), Porto 4200-465, Portugal, the Faculdade de Medicina, Universidade do Porto, Porto 4200-319, Portugal, the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF), CEXS-UPF-PRBB and CIBER de Epidemiología y Salud Pública, Barcelona 08003, Spain, the Department of the Languages and Cultures of the Near and Middle East, Faculty of Languages and Cultures, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, London WC1H 0XG, UK, the ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA, the Molecular Medicine Laboratory, Rambam Health Care Campus, Haifa 31096, Israel, Department of Human Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Department of Statistics and Operations Research, School of Mathematical Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Rappaport Faculty of Medicine and Research Institute, Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa 31096, Israel

I guess the Estonian Biocentre and Department of Evolutionary Biology, University of Tartu, Tartu 51010, Estonia, the Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics, Ufa Research Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Ufa 450054, Russia, the Research Centre for Medical Genetics, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow 115478, Russia, the Dipartimento di Genetica e Microbiologia, Università di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy, the Instituto de Patologia e Imunologia Molecular da Universidade do Porto (IPATIMUP), Porto 4200-465, Portugal, the Faculdade de Medicina, Universidade do Porto, Porto 4200-319, Portugal, the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF), CEXS-UPF-PRBB and CIBER de Epidemiología y Salud Pública, Barcelona 08003, Spain, the Department of the Languages and Cultures of the Near and Middle East, Faculty of Languages and Cultures, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, London WC1H 0XG, UK, and the ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA, are all Zionist mouthpieces as is the peer reviewed Nature Magazine.

Uh oh in this case we have 4 Israeli out of total of 13 Universities involved in the study, they are the Molecular Medicine Laboratory, Rambam Health Care Campus, Haifa 31096, Israel, Department of Human Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Department of Statistics and Operations Research, School of Mathematical Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Rappaport Faculty of Medicine and Research Institute, Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa 31096, Israel

Such evidence is a complete fabrication not based on the actual historical record or peer reviewed genetic evidence.

That between 5 and 6 million Jews were systematically exterminated by the Third Reich through means; such as but not limited to, mass execution by gassing.

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NAH - Before the influx of Zionists Jews from Europe and Zionists terrorists gangs , there was no Black Hand ..

Go check the Timeline .


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So if Jesus is really this great role model for Palestinians, does that mean they'll stop putting on explosives belts? Because I've read the gospels and I can't recall any part of them where Jesus blew up a bus.

 

There were rumours that he performed miracles by transforming not only water into wine, but camel humps into combustion engines.

 

As ever . it depends ENTIRELY , on which group of Jews you're prepared to listen to and believe.

I know Wiki is not the last word but allowing for update editing this is what it says abt AshkeNazi Jews

"Genetic studies on Jews

Mt-DNA of Ashkenazi Jews


A 2006 study by Behar et al.,[52] based on high-resolution analysis of Haplogroup K(mtDNA), suggested that about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women, or "founder lineages", that were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Middle East in the 1st and 2nd centuries CE. Moreover, a maternal line "sister" was found among the Jews of Portugal, North Africa, France, and Italy. They wrote:
Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only four women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium...[


A 2007 study by J. Feder et al.] confirms the hypothesis of the founding of non-local origin among the maternal lines. Their study did not address the geographical origin of Ashkenazim and therefore does not explicitly confirm the origin "Levantine" of these founders. This study revealed a significant divergence in total haplogroup distribution between the Ashkenazi Jewish populations and their European host populations, namely Russians, Poles and Germans. They concluded that, regarding mtDNAs, the differences between Jews and non-Jews are far larger than those observed among the Jewish communities.

The study also found that "the differences between the Jewish communities can be overlooked when non-Jews are included in the comparisons." It supported previous interpretations of "little or no gene flow from the local non-Jewish communities in Poland and Russia to the Jewish communities in these countries."
Considering Ashkenazi Jews, Atzmon (citing Behar above) states that beyond four founder mitochondrial haplogroups of Middle Eastern origins which comprise approximately 40% of Ashkenazi Jewish mtDNA, the remainder of the mtDNA falls into other haplogroups, many of European origin.

He further noticed that beyond Ashkenazi Jews, "Evidence for founder females of Middle Eastern origin has been observed in other Jewish populations based on non overlapping mitochondrial haplotypes with coalescence times >2000 years"[


A study at the University of Huddersfield led by Professor Martin B. Richards, the results of which were released in October 2013, analyzed about 2,500 complete and 28,000 partial Mt-DNA genomes of mostly non-Jews, and 836 partial Mt-DNA genomes of Ashkenazi Jews.

The study concluded that 65%-81% of Ashkenazi Mt-DNA is European in origin, claiming that all four founding mothers were European, and that most of the remaining lineages are also European.



The study claims that only 8% of Ashkenazi Mt-DNA is Middle Eastern in origin, and the origin of the rest is unclear.

They wrote:
If we allow for the possibility that K1a9 and N1b2 might have a Near Eastern source, then we can estimate the overall fraction of European maternal ancestry at ~65%.

Given the strength of the case for even these founders having a European source, however, our best estimate is to assign ~81% of Ashkenazi lineages to a European source,

~8% to the Near East and ~

1% further to the east in Asia, with ~10% remaining ambiguous..

. Thus at least two-thirds and most likely more than four-fifths of Ashkenazi maternal lineages have a European ancestry.




Regarding the origin of Ashkenazi admixture the analyses suggest that "the first major wave of assimilation probably took place in Mediterranean Europe, most likely in the Italian peninsula with substantial further assimilation of minor founders in west/central Europe." The authors found "less evidence for assimilation in Eastern Europe, and almost none for a source in the North Caucasus/Chuvashia, as would be predicted by the Khazar hypothesis" The study was criticized by geneticist Doron Behar, who stated that while the Mt-DNA of Ashkenazi Jews is of mixed Middle Eastern and European origins, the deepest maternal roots of Ashkenazi Jews are not European. Harry Ostrer said Richards' study seemed reasonable, and corresponded to the known facts of Jewish history. Karl Skorecki of the Rambam Health Care Campus stated that there were serious flaws of phylogenetic analysis.[56] Both Behar and Skorecki claim that the Mt-DNA used in the study did not represent the full spectrum of mitochondrial diversity.
Eran Elhaik, a research associate studying genetics at the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, argues that the evidence ruled out a Near Eastern origin for many Ashkenazi mitochondrial lineages but challenged the conclusion that a Khazarian contribution is absent.

David B. Goldstein, the Duke University geneticist who first found similarities between the founding mothers of Ashkenazi Jewry and European populations, said that although Richards' analysis was well-done, and 'could be right'[56] the estimate that 80% of Ashkenazi Jewish Mt-DNA is European was not statistically justified given the random rise and fall of mitochondrial DNA lineages.

Geneticist Antonio Torroni of the University of Pavia found the conclusions very convincing, adding that recent studies of cell nucleus DNA also show “a very close similarity between Ashkenazi Jews and Italians

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As you can see Geneticist are in dispute, not in agreement arguing amongst themselves .

So, which Genetic theory/report would you recommend /suggest that , I , a mere product from a Technical College , should accept + swear to ?
(wink)

 

What can we conclude? Either the above studies were not peer-reviewed and therefore have no validity, the above researchers were anti-semites and their studies distorted for ideological/political ends, or that the conclusions derived therein reflect a close approximation to the truth.

 

most recent thorough genetic research into Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews shows the Khazar theory is crap.

these Jews bare little to any genetic resemblence to Caucasus peoples, such as the Armenians, Georgians, Dagestanis, Azerbaijanis.

as for the four-mother's theory, they were Europeans living around Northern Italy, 15,000 years ago.

 

Perhaps coz - Jesus didn't have access to explosives , WOT ?

BUT Jesus was also NOT averse to a violent reaction:

"Matthew 21:12-13 (New American Standard Bible)

12 And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves.
13 And He said to them, “It is written, ‘MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER’; but you are making it a ROBBERS’ DEN.”

Mark 11:15-18

15 Then they came to Jerusalem. And He entered the temple and began to drive out those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves;

16 and He would not permit anyone to carry merchandise through the temple.

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18 The chief priests and the scribes heard this, and began seeking how to destroy Him; for they were afraid of Him, for the whole crowd was astonished at His teaching.

Luke 19:45-47

45 Jesus entered the temple and began to drive out those who were selling,

46 saying to them, “It is written, ‘AND MY HOUSE SHALL BE A HOUSE OF PRAYER,’ but you have made it a ROBBERS’ DEN.”

47 And He was teaching daily in the temple; but the chief priests and the scribes and the leading men among the people were trying to destroy Him,

John 2:13-16
13 The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

14 And He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables.

15 And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables;

16 and to those who were selling the doves He said, “Take these things away; stop making My Father’s house a place of business.”


Who knows what he'd have done if he had a AK -47 or a stick of dynamite ? ??

Let's not v discount the possibility that in the "second coming Armagedon - End Times - (according to American Christian Zionist , in His battle with the anti-Christ , Jesus will Nuke 2/3rd of unbelieving Jews/those Jews who refuse to acknowledge Jesus as their Saviour.

LOL -

 

Palestinians hate Jesus, as Jesus preached "turn the other cheek".

 

Awesome. Then perhaps these Palestinaians who look to Jesus as a role model should put theirs down.

I was unaware you're a Christian Zionist. Who knew?

In any event, perhaps you should read Zechariah 12: 1-9 which refers to that same battle of Armageddon - "A prophecy: The word of the Lord concerning Israel. The Lord, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares: 2 “I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. 4 On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness,” declares the Lord. “I will keep a watchful eye over Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations. 5 Then the clans of Judah will say in their hearts, ‘The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God.’ 6 “On that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume all the surrounding peoples right and left, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place. 7 “The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem’s inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. 8 On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the Lord going before them. 9 On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem."

Sorry, dude - you're likely gonna be on the wrong side of that battle. You most surely have the details wrong.

 

The thread is NOT about ME - but in answer to your question , NO - I've never , in the real world met " a bigoted, arrogant Muslim" remotely comparable to my experience from Jews in Israel .

In All the years while / during working more than 3 yrs in Saudi/ 2 years stationed in Beirut / Damascus , / Turkey/Jordan , - travelling up East Africa /Aden ./ vacations /holidays in Morocco ./ Tunisia etc.

I guess - due the level I worked in, I've been fortunate enough to have been received with traditional / customary - Arab hospitality and " Ahlan Wa Sahlan " wherever I went .

-- I can only tell , from my own personal experience.


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well guess what? I have met bigoted Muslims, who thought Jews were garbage and that Muslims shouldn't associate with non-Muslims.

 

And I've met bigoted athiests who thought that Muslims and Jews needed to be eradicated from the earth. Thankfully, for purposes of avoiding any physical confrontation in which the pin-heads in question would have come off worse, my meeting with them was fleeting.

 

I'm NOT a Christian Zionist , whatever gave you that idea. ?


FYI -
In accord with local customs , I was Christened / raised in Church of England (nominally ) by easy going Christian parents - not the nut cases found in America.


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right, all Christians in the USA are "nut cases".

just more bigotry from you.

 

I've got news for you , most Palestinians do not have access to Guns +explosives , + armaments comparable to Zionist Jews , not even an Army ,, It would be an even fight , IF they did .

They are legitimately resisting Zionist military occupation/oppression with whatever means at their disposal.


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do they turn the other cheek, like what Jesus did and said?

do they cry out for God to forgive the Jews, like Jesus did?