Jesus was 'Palestinian messenger,' role model

That's right its True - I would never deny anything I've said .

WHICH - which AFA I'm concerned is not the same as denying that many millions of people - from all nationalities/ ethnicities - died /was killed during WW2

Again - IMO - Zionists exploited the tragedy and sacrificed the less well off Jews to further their plans for Herzl's "DER JUDENSTAAT " The evidence is here from Jews who kept close watch and recorded it :

-- (forgive me its long , but I hope you'll read it and come to understand how I came to say the "wrong Jews were killed in holocaust"

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"From its' inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers of Zionism and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should stay away from it like one would from fire. They made their opinions clear to their congregants and to the general public. Their message was that Zionism is a chauvinistic racist phenomenon which has absolutely naught to do with Judaism. They publicly expressed that Zionism would definitely be detrimental to the well being of Jews and Gentiles and that its effects on the Jewish religion would be nothing other than destructive. Further, it would taint the reputation of Jewry as a whole and would cause utter confusion in the Jewish and non-Jewish communities. Judaism is a religion. Judaism is not a race or a nationality. That was and still remains the consensus amongst the rabbis.

We were given the Holy Land by G-d in order to be able to study and practice the Torah without disturbance and to attain levels of holiness difficult to attain outside of the Holy Land. We abused the privilege and we were expelled. That is exactly what all Jews say in their prayers on every Jewish festival, "Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu" - "Because of our sins we were expelled from our land".



We have been forsworn by G-d "not to enter the Holy Land as a body before the predestined time", "not to rebel against the nations", to be loyal citizens, not to do anything against the will of any nation or its honour, not to seek vengeance, discord, restitution or compensation; "not to leave exile ahead of time." On the contrary; we have to be humble and accept the yoke of exile. To violate the oaths would result in "your flesh will be made prey as the deer and the antelope in the forest," and the redemption will be delayed.

(Talmud Tractate Ksubos p. 111a).

To violate the oaths is not only a sin, it is a heresy because it is against the fundamentals of our Belief. Only through complete repentance will the Almighty alone, without any human effort or intervention, redeem us from exile. This will be after G-d will send the prophet Elijah and Moshiach who will induce all Jews to complete repentance. At that time there will be universal peace.

All of the leading Jewish religious authorities of that era predicted great hardship to befall humanity generally and the Jewish People particularly, as a result of Zionism.

To be a Jew means that either one is born to a Jewish mother or converts to the religion with the condition that he or she make no reservations with regard to Jewish Law. Unfortunately there are many Jews who have no inkling whatsoever as to the duties of a Jew. Many of them are not to blame, for in many cases they lacked a Jewish education and upbringing. But there are those who deliberately distort the teachings of our tradition to suit their personal needs.

Death at the camp

It is self understood that not just anyone has the right or the ability to make a decision regarding the philosophy or law of a religion. Especially matters in which that person has no qualification. It follows then that those individuals who "decided" that Judaism is a nationality are to be ignored and even criticized. It is no secret that the founders of Zionism had never studied Jewish Law nor did they express interest in our holy tradition.

They openly defied Rabbinical authority and self-appointed themselves as leaders of the Jewish "nation". In Jewish history, actions like those have always spelled disaster. To be a Jew and show open defiance of authority or to introduce "amendment" or "innovation" without first consulting with those officially appointed as Jewish spiritual leaders is the ideal equation to equal catastrophe. One can not just decide to "modernize" ancient traditions or regulations.

The spiritual leaders of contemporary Judaism better known as Orthodox rabbis have received ordination to judge and interpret matters pertaining to the Jewish faith. These rabbis have received their rights and responsibilities and form a link in the unbroken chain of the Jewish tradition dating all the way back to Moses who received the Torah from Almighty G-d Himself. It was these very rabbis who, at the time of the formation of the Zionist movement, foresaw the pernicious outcome that was without a doubt lined up.

Satmar Grand Rebbe Teitelbaum
Grand Rebbe Teitelbaum, zt'l

It was a man possessing outstanding Judaic genius, and a level of uncontested holiness who enunciated the Jewish stance regarding Zionism. This charismatic individual, the Rebbe of Satmar, Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, did not mince any words. Straight to the point he called Zionism "the work of Satan", "a sacrilege" and "a blasphemy". He forbade any participation with anything even remotely associated with Zionism and said that Zionism was bound to call the wrath of G-d upon His people. He maintained this stance with unwavering bravery from the onset of Zionism whilst he was still in Hungary up until his death in New York where he lead a congregation numbering in the hundreds of thousands. Grand Rabbi Teitelbaum, scion to a legacy of holy mystics and Hassidic Masters unfortunately had his prediction fulfilled.
We lost more than six million of our brothers, sisters, sons and daughters in a very horrible manner. This, more than six million holy people had to experience as punishment for the Zionist stupidity. The Holocaust, he wept, was a direct result of Zionism, a punishment from G-d.

IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.

Auschwitz Death Camp
Auschwitz

But it doesn't end there. It wasn't enough for the Zionist leaders to have aroused the wrath of G-d. They made a point of displaying abysmal contempt for their Jewish brothers and sisters by actively participating in their extermination. Just the idea alone of Zionism, which the rabbis had informed them would cause havoc, was not enough for them. They made an effort to pour fuel on an already burning flame. They had to incite the Angel of Death, Adolf Hitler.

They took the liberty of telling the world that they represented World Jewry. Who appointed these individuals as leaders of the Jewish People?? It is no secret that these so-called "leaders" were ignoramuses when it came to Judaism. Atheists and racists too. These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. Genocide began, but these people, if they can really be classified as members of the human race, sat back.

"No Shame"

President Roosevelt convened the Evian conference July 6-15 1938, to deal with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no effort to influence the United States and the 32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian Jews.
[Source]

On Feb 1, 1940 Henry Montor executive vice-President of the United Jewish Appeal refused to intervene for a shipload of Jewish refugees stranded on the Danube river, stating that "Palestine cannot be flooded with... old people or with undesirables."
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It is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:

a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:


a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
c) No ransom will be paid
This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood. Zionism was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it was a formula for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of several desperadoes. A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!

In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.

On December 17, 1942 both houses of the British Parliament declared its readiness to find temporary refuge for endagered persons. The British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany. This motion received within two weeks a total of 277 Parliamentary signatures. On Jan. 27, when the next steps were being pursued by over 100 M.P.'s and Lords, a spokesman for the Zionists announced that the Jews would oppose the motion because Palestine was ommitted.
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On Feb. 16, 1943 Roumania offered 70,000 Jewish refugees of the Trans-Dniestria to leave at the cost of $50 each. This was publicized in the New York papers.
Yitzhak Greenbaum, Chairman of the Rescue Committee of the Jewish Agency, addressing the Zionist Executive Council in Tel Aviv Feb. 18 1943 said, "when they asked me, "couldn't you give money out of the United Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said NO! and I say again, NO!...one should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist activities to secondary importance."
On Feb. 24, 1943 Stephen Wise, President of the American Jewish Congress and leader of the American Zionists issued a public refusal to this offer and declared no collection of funds would seem justified.

In 1944, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People called upon the American government to establish a War Refugee Board. Stephen Wise testifying before a special committeeof Congress objected to this proposal.
[Source]

During the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weizman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".

And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.

In 1947 Congressman William Stration sponsored a bill to immediately grant entry to the United States of 400,000 displaced persons. The bill was not passed after it was publicly denounced by the Zionist leadership.
[Source]

These facts are read with consternation and unbearable shame. How can it be explained that at a time during the last phase of the war, when the Nazis were willing to barter Jews for money, partly because of their desires to establish contact with the Western powers which, they believed, were under Jewish influence, how was it possible one asks that the self-proclaimed "Jewish leaders" did not move heaven and earth to save the last remnant of their brothers?

On Feb. 23, 1956 the Hon. J. W. Pickersgill, Minister for Immigration was asked in the Canadian House of Commons "would he open the doors of Canada to Jewish refugees". He replied "the government has made no progress in that direction because the government of Israel....does not wish us to do so".
[Source]

In 1972, the Zionist leadership successfully opposed an effort in the United States Congress to allow 20,000-30,000 Russian refugees to enter the United States.
Jewish relief organizations, Joint and HIAS, were being pressured to abandon these refugees in Vienna, Rome and other Europiean cities.
[Source]

The pattern is clear!!! Humanitarian rescue efforts are subverted to narrow Zionist interests.

There were many more shocking crimes committed by these abject degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", we could list many more example, but for the time being let anyone produce a valid excuse for the above facts.

Zionist responsibility for the Holocaust is threefold.
1.The Holocaust was a punishment for disrespecting The Three Oaths (see Talmud, Tractate Kesubos p. 111a).
2.Zionist leaders openly withheld support, both financially and otherwise, to save their fellow brothers and sisters from a cruel death.
3.The leaders of the Zionist movement cooperated with Hitler and his cohorts on many occasions and in many ways.

Zionists Offer a Military Alliance with Hitler

It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders of the Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying brothers and sisters. Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in their rescue, but they actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi regime.

Dead bodies in a mass grave at Auschwitz
Mass Grave at Auschwitz

Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, "Tel Aviv", while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member

Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity". Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.



In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel", better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi - Etzel) over the group's attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.

This remarkable proposal "for the solution of the Jewish question in Europe and the active participation on the NMO [Lehi] in the war on the side of Germany" is worth quoting at some length:

"The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany and the Zionist emigration program takes the view that:
1.Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as embodied by the NMO.
1.Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed, folkish-national Jewry.
2.The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.

"On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively take part in the war on the side of Germany.

"This offer by the NMO could include military, political and informational activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures, outside as well. Along with this the "Jewish" men of Europe would be militarily trained and organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO. They would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering Palestine, should such a front be formed.

"The indirect participation of the Israel Freedom Movement in the New Order of Europe, already in the preparatory stage, combined with a positive-radical solution of the European-Jewish problem on the basis of the national aspirations of the Jewish people mentioned above, would greatly strengthen the moral foundation of the New Order in the eyes of all humanity.

"The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be consistent with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler stressed that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England".


(Original document in German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand 47-59, E224152 and E234155-58.

Complete original text published in: David Yisraeli, The Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp. 315-317).

On the basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group believed was in its own national interests. This is just one example of the Zionist movements' collaboration with Hitler for the purpose of possibly receiving jurisdiction over a minute piece of earth, Palestine.



And to top it all up, brainwashing!

How far this unbelievable Zionist conspiracy has captured the Jewish masses, and how impossible it is for any different thought to penetrate their minds, even to the point of mere evaluation, can be seen in the vehemence of the reaction to any reproach. With blinded eyes and closed ears, any voice raised in protest and accusation is immediately suppressed and deafened by the thousand fold cry: "Traitor," "Enemy of the Jewish People."

Source for paragraphs marked "[Source]":
The Wall Street Journal December 2, 1976

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YES Ronstar - I stand by all that I've previously posted - coz most of it was what I've learnt came from other Jews .

including

- http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/holocaust-zionism.htm


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Upon further review, I suppose that the Palestinians ARE following Jesus, they've just added a modern twist to it.

For instance Jesus tells people "Take up your cross and follow me." Palestinians take up their explosives belts and follow a bus.

Jesus said "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." Palestinians blow themselves and others to kingdom come.

Jesus said "Don't let family get in the way of following me" Some Palestinians mothers actually breed children to become martyrs for the cause.

So upon reflection, I will concede that this Palestinian messenger bit is correct!

 

A minority .- yes - thanks largely to the Arabs - = most certainly - IMO - majority Jews - DO NOT necessarily qualify for automatic land ownership rights - simply by claiming their grand parents were Jews.

One of my grandparents was of Huguenot decent - . should that entitle me a wind mill / or Tulip field , in the Netherlands ?

Which , I'd , of course refuse , coz I'd rather settle on or exchange for a vine yard - in Bordeaux or Burgundy . Who want s a f-king wind mill.

However back to Palestine , the Jewish financial are growing rich + fat on the support + EXPENSE - of less intelligent Jews . HAHAHA

Rich Israeli Jews are securing themselves by buying properties (bolt holes ) all over Europe /USA /Canada etc,etc.
Rich Jews do not ride on Israeli buses or expose their families to risk of being blown up by suicidal Jihadists - a modern day Arab version of Sri Lanka.'s (Ceylon) Tamil Tigers or earlier Japan's Kamikazes or perhaps the Jewish Zealots at Massada, - wotever

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Mine too. I have always wondered why my grandad took that boat across the channel. He died before I had the chance to ask him.

 

I was unaware ONLY rich Jews did that. It seems the rich in general do.

Although given the number of times humanity in general and certain countries in particular have either tried to exterminate them, forcibly emigrate them, or the like, it would be foolish of them NOT to.

 

The state of Israel is free to allow Jews from other countries to migrate to their country. Jordan has a similiar policy for all arabs. And they have to purchase the land.
And the majority of Jews in Israel are descended from people in the Levant or other arab countries where once large Jewish populations are now gone.

 

Bull $hit - there was no such thing as a " JEW " 10,00O - yrs ago .


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he's trying to get one up on the 3000-5000 years the Palestinians have been there according to Uri Avnery

 

Jordan has NO such policy.............

 

I do not think its coz they are Jews - rather what some Jews - do, don't you agree.

IMO - its more often as not what some people do + how they behave towards others which is the cause. Unfortunately , some Jewish people seem to be oblivious to the affect their arrogance have on non-Jews .

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It had something to do with Flemish vs Walloons / religious conflicts - Catholics + Protestants etc. worse than Northern Ireland .

 

There was a Who Do You Think You Are on someone with this past recently though from France. It was when they made being a Protestant illegal in the 17th C and a lot of them moved to Protestant countries for fear of persecution, being forced to become Catholic or worse.

 

IMO - some do - while some do not .

btw - Go do some homework - Jesus , wasn't totally averse to a violent response when called for .

Go read your bible. abt Jew money changes in Temple etc.


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"Jew money changers".


yeah, no anti-Semitism here.

 

I did not invent it - Its all there in the good book.

Go complain to whoever wrote the Bible.


(wink )

 

no where in the New Testament will you find the term "Jew money changers".

that's an anti-Semitic invention on your part

 

That's not anti-Semitic... They were Pharisees and they were cheating the poor

 

NAH -

I doubt any one ever wanted to "exterminate " them - but on the other hand - some of them ., did not do themselves any favours - in their arrogant attitudes and the way they behaved towards non-Jews , did they ?

Cause and effect - Huh ? .

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The RICH are oblivious to the effect their arrogance has on others. And the RICH often have several houses all over the place. I just saw not three minutes ago how Kanye West has three digs and is building a fourth. I'm not seeing him as Jewish.

This unhealthy obsession with the Jews in particular is starting to take an unhealthy turn

 

How so ? - please explain .

btw - do yourself a favour and cut the "anti-Semitic " Bull $hit , it does absolutely nothing for what ever you're trying to say .

School playground Name calling tactics - only proves that you're incapable of thinking of anything informative to post.

 

Did Jesus blow them up? Any of these money changers get killed? Wait - He was lecturing His fellow Jews on proper conduct and not other peoples.

Nice try.

 

Its nothing new - Jews have through the ages played the "persecuted " victims , while more often as not enjoyed a much higher standard of living than mostb gentiles :

"Israeli billionaire buys London home for $70 million

Most expensive new home ever sold in Britain features $1.5 million staircase

An Israeli diamond billionaire has bought the most expensive new property ever sold in Britain — a $70 million home with a bullet-proof front door costing $100,000, real estate dealers said on Tuesday. The seven-bedroom house in the exclusive north London district of Hampstead boasts a $1.5-million stone staircase constructed using 150-year-old carving techniques and an indoor swimming pool with gold-plated mosaic tiles.The Palladian-style home also features a gym, sauna, ballroom and cinema, a private hair salon and a one-tonne bathroom basin carved from a single piece of white Iranian onyx.It has been bought by Lev Leviev, a 51-year-old Israeli businessman best known for his diamond trading company and who is estimated to be worth $6.5 billion.A London property agent who asked not to be named said $70 million was the highest ever paid for a new property in Britain. The most paid for any property is believed to be $128 million spent by steel billionaire Lakshmi Mittal for a London mansion.

A spokeswoman for Leviev, Israel’s richest man, confirmed the purchase and said he would be moving to London soon. He is expected to live in the 17,000-square-foot home with his wife and two of his nine children.

Leviev, a reclusive billionaire who emigrated to Israel from Uzbekistan in 1971 without a penny to his name, also has homes in Israel, New York and Moscow, but is thought to favour a move to London because of high taxes in Israel.

He recently launched a company in London and opened a flagship diamond store on exclusive Bond Street, competing directly with De Beer’s, the South African-based company that has traditionally been the world’s largest diamond dealer.

Leviev’s decision to spend millions on London property comes despite a downturn in Britain’s once red-hot market. After nearly 10 years of steady growth, prices have tapered in recent months and are expected to fall in the coming year.

His move to London follows in the footsteps of more high-profile billionaires, including his friend Roman Abramovich, owner of Chelsea Football Club.

and many other Jews ....

http://propertiesinvictoria.com/rea...ada-70-million-dollar-home-in-london-england/



I;m not complaining - the more rich Jews (or Arabs ) prepared to spend their dosh here in London , the merrier.

LOL ..

 

hes illuminati, same gang. look who just made that new film pretending that noah was a european.

 

So who in your opinion was the money changers ?

Arabs ?


Hmmmmm

 

Huh ? Was explosives AK47s - Uzis - available at that time. ?