Jesus was 'Palestinian messenger,' role model

Clang, garbage, I live here you do not... and I dare say you do not know squat.

 

nOW - nOW - WATCH your blood pressure

In Europe + Nr East -Judaism was an actively proselytizing religion. up until th time of Constantine.

"From Greek epigraphic and papyri sources, we know of scores of synagogues in Asia Minor,12 the northern Black Sea region,13 and south eastern Europe, chiefly in the Balkans, but also Hungary.14 Although we have no membership lists (or even statements of function) for these synagogues, a great many converted gentiles are mentioned in Rabbinical literature
(Bamberger 1939: 221-266; also on this general subject see Shapiro 1960; Rapaport 1965).
Baron (1952, p. 170 & 370-372) believes there were between four and eight million Jews outside Palestine in the first century CE

. Even if the number was five million, this amounts to one-tenth of the population of the entire Roman Empire according to the censuses of Augustus (Durand
1974, p. 253-296). This ratio is unimaginable without the conversions of large numbers of gentiles.

 

Theres nothing to be ashamed about if somebody converts to Judaism, dont know what all the fuss and denial is about.

 

Perhaps you're so deeply stuck inside the box , you're unable to see the bigger picture. its time you stepped outside and take a fair minded - dispassionate assessment .

tata....

 

Whats so shameful about converting to Judaism??

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Goldfish bowl

 

Nothing at all...........

 

Of course - there's no shame at all ..


but imo - it surely matters when the descendants of those converts claim land rights in a distant country - and justify ethnic cleansing of its inhabitants. then being granted more rights in a Zionist state than the non-Jewish population.

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there must be something, some small detail.

 

yes but that wasnt the case prior to 1948 when a jewish state was only a distant dream. Are you saying this apparent denial is a recent phenomenon?

 

Like what?

For me it would be impossible to give up my belief in Jesus.. but that might not be important to others.

I have very close relationships with reformed Jews who eat pork and shellfish.. so I am not certain that is important to everyone either.

 

Yes , I've often heard/read of Pro-Israel posters here + on othe boards , wishing to discount the increase of early converts - in the Caucuses / /Khazaria /Anatolia etc. had on the overall Jewish population. - Claiming Judaism have been a non-proselyting religion ..

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"Arab" means, for the purposes of this Law, any person whose father was of Arab origin and who is a national of a State Member of the League of Arab States;.....

Article 4
Any Arab who has resided continuously in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan for not less than 15 years may acquire Jordanian nationality

 

recent genetic research show the Khazar theory to be a myth.

you FAIL

 

15 years? Yes.. but that's not what you inferred.

 

The Khazar history is certainly NOT myth.. Go to the Khazaria website.. There are letter and archeology .. lots of information ...

Here. .. http://www.khazaria.com/

Why the denial??

 

the Khazar theory for the origin of Ashkenazi Jews, is a myth.

The Khazars were very real, and helped keep Islam from ruling Europe.

but only a small portion of them became Jews, and they certainly are not the ancestors of the Ashkenazim.

 

Later it became non-proselyting .. The Berbers and the Yemeni were converts. There was a Warrior Queen among the Berbers.. a convert.. Her name was Kadima (think)

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In 625 AD?

The Khazars were slavers..

 

sorry kids, but genetic research shows that the Khazar-origin theory for the Ashkenazis has no basis in fact.

Ashkenazis are descended from Middle Eastern Jews and Europeans.

 

No so - IMO its a case of TWO Hypotheses

For political reasons the Zionist chose to hide/deny AshkeNaz/Litvaks connection with - Khazarian Jews , as It undermines their claim to being descended from Israelits/Judaens ...

Would you deny that King Bulan of Khazaria led the conversion of large numbers of his people to Judaism. ?

 

So says the Zionists .

There're also evidence which contradicts Zionist claims.

6 of one - half dozen of the other. It depends which side one wish to accept.

 

there is no evidence that the most recent genetic research is a Zionist plot.

all you have is a sad anti-Semitic conspiracy theory

 

Really? So your country isn't fleecing American taxpayers to the tune of $3 billion+ every year?

 

Iraq and Afghanistan get twice as much.

 

Jewish slave-traders abounded in antiquity all across Eurasia (see Hezser
2005).

Jews as slaves and slaveholders in antiquity

Throughout the period under discussion, Jews appear as both slaves andslaveholders. They were the slaves of Jews and non-Jews and owned both Jewish and non-Jewish slaves.
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"Although mass (chattel) slavery was a specifically Roman phenomenon inantiquity, Jews do not seem to have been less affected by this common and all-pervasive institution than Romans, Greeks and other provincials in whose immediate environment they lived. Ancient Jewish literary sources suggest that Jews were both slaves and slaveholders in antiquity, and thatslavery had a major impact on almost all areas of Jewish daily life, whetherin Hellenistic and Roman Palestine or in the Mediterranean Diaspora.

The phenomenon of slavery shows how and to what extent Jews werepart of Greco-Roman society while at the same time maintaining theirbiblical roots. It is therefore of particular interest to examine similaritiesas well as differences between the Jewish and Greco-Roman discourse onslavery to determine whether there was a particularly Jewish perspectiveand approach.This chapter will focus on the Jewish experience and rhetoric of slavery from post-exilic to Roman imperial times and late antiquity (fifth cen-tury bc to fifth century ad). Previous scholars have usually assumed thatslavery was insignificant in ancient Judaism of the post-biblical period.Since the Hebrew Bible refers to Jewish slaves as temporary bondsmen who are to be released in the seventh or Sabbatical Year (cf. Exod. 212–3;Lev. 25 4041 Deut. 1512), it was commonly assumed that Jews could not be proper slaves of Jews and that Jewish slaveholders treated their gentile slaves as slaves only. Some scholars argued that after the Babylonian Exilethe institution of Hebrew bondage came to an end, and that Jews advo-cated a particularly humane treatment of their non-Jewish slaves. Scholarssuch as Farbstein (1896) who propagated such theories usually wrote inthe second half of the nineteenth or the beginning of the twentieth cen-tury and were sympathisers of the Reform movement in Judaism. They wrote in a German-Jewish context in which Jews were eager to assim-ilate into a predominantly Christian society.

read more :
http://www.academia.edu/4268879/Slavery_and_the_Jews.

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According to David Keys, in his book Catastrophe, A quest for the Origins of the Modern world, in chapter 12 The Jewish Empire, page 99, it says the following, "World Jewry was, and still is divided into a number of distinctly different traditions, chief among which are the Sephardim (Spanish Jews) and the Ashkenazim (northern European Jews). By far the largest number of Ashkenazim originate from eastern Europe -specially Lithuania, Poland, and Russia- and almost certainly have a large Khazar or Khazar-influenced (i.e. ethnically Turkic, Slav, and Magyar) genetic component.