On what basis do Christians claim that their god is "good"?

Penrose is an atheist, so I don't know why you'd cite his calculation as evidence for any god.

And we (atheists) don't have to define what a god is. We aren't claiming that one exists. You want to claim something exists? You need to define it.

 

I understand you very well the problem is you don't understand yourself.

You wrote very clearly every elementary student including second rate English speakers can understand what you wrote.

If you so believe in Jesus Christ you wouldn't be defending the extremist Muslims and wanting to see Christians get slaughtered by them, so tell me do you wporship and believe in Jesus Christ or not?

You corrupt the Bible to corrupt Christians you should read the Bible for all its worth.

I am just responding to your post if you consider your post to be B.S. then I guess that is what it is and I am doing a favor by correcting your b.s. post.

Truth has always made me feel comfortable remember truth will set you free and when the truth gets really real you start to contradict yourself.

That is why I have to respond to your twisted facts so that the public can understand how serious such lies can be people will start not to care and since we Christians care we will not seat back and do nothing.

Not as pathetic as you since all your twisted facts are starting to revealed it self.

Yes I have proof your statement is true that you want to see Christians get slaughtered, you exploit the Bible demanding Christians to turn the other cheek and seat back and get slaughtered, you support the extremist Muslims, extremist Atheist to slaughtered Christians and yes these are not pathetic these ares serious and irresponsible posting aim against peace loving Christians.

Would you sharpen your sword to defend Christians from being slaughtered with or with out God's command?

It is more a shame that you being an English speaker can't understand your own posting I have a good excuse you don't.

Truth is already in front of you dead bodies killed by your extremist Muslims and you still can't see the truth that is TRUTH.

The reason there is a separation of church and state because Christians respect and recognize that but not atheist and Muslims.

You hate everyone that see and understand the truth and the truth is we don't and will not stand by against evil while you would like us to do nothing.

I don't have to twist anything you are doing a good job by yourself that is why atheist and anti Christians will always end up contradicting themselves because truth is not on their side and they are not on the side of truth.

And you refuse to accept or understand what is happening was it the Christians who started it or was it the Al Shaaab, Boko Haram? You like to single out the Christians for fighting back but you ignore why they need to fight back will you protect them against Boko Haram and their likes or not? I guess we already know you will not protect them.

I don't have to twist anything I only present the truth on your position to see Christians get slaughter.

See how you are contradicting yourself you now said you don't wish to see Muslims kill Christians and yet you condemn Christians for fighting back.

Your lies and twisted facts are being exposed.

 

"""You corrupt the Bible to corrupt Christians you should read the Bible for all its worth."""""


It's only worth is causing people to argue about a book....

"""""It is more a shame that you being an English speaker can't understand your own posting I have a good excuse you don't."""

FINALLY you admit you can't understand English !!! Now, if you could quit blaming your weaknesses on anything but yourself you may be SAVED!

 

What you think you understand are the lies you've told yourself about the point I made that you ignored and twisted into something completely off topic! Did you learn this from Dumbug or teach it to him?

So here is the point again

As will christians.

This is actually going on today!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...litias-revenge

The atrocities you speak of were in the past but right now ... today ... these christians are doing this.

And just so you know I'm not going to entertain your fantasy debate where all you do is sidestep the point because it makes you look more stupid than normal,... twist words into meanings that were never intended,... and flat out make up things to evade the point!

Now your buddy Dumbug can fill your head with more B.S. about you winning something ... he's as predictable as you!

 

I have always admit English is not my first language it is shameful that people like you who pride to be English speakers can't admit you can't understand your own English language There is a reason why the Bible is translated into English.

 

You want to know what really is going on here read this:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26899710

Gunmen ransacked the building in the north-west of the country before taking the hostages, Italy's Ansa agency said.

The area is close to a stronghold of militant Nigerian group Boko Haram.

The attack comes three months after a French priest was released after being kidnapped by Boko Haram in the same region and held in Nigeria.

The latest attack took place in the district of Maroua in the early hours of Saturday morning.

The gunmen were reported to have arrived by car before entering the building where the priests and the nun were staying at around 02:00 local time (01:00 GMT).

The two priests were from the Vicenza region of Italy, the Italian foreign ministry reported.

It says it has set up a crisis unit to work for their release.

One of the priests had been in Cameroon for more than six years, while the other had arrived about a year ago, Italian media reported.

Last year, seven members of a French family called Moulin-Fournier - four of them children - were abducted by Boko Haram in northern Cameroon and held hostage for two months.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...-village-attacks-blamed-on-muslim-herders-in/

KANO, Nigeria – Officials say Fulani Muslim herders attacked three Christian villages and killed more than 100 civilians. Hundreds of thatched-roof huts were set ablaze.

Thousands have been killed in recent years in competition for land and water between mainly Muslim Fulani herdsmen and Christian farmers across Nigeria's Middle Belt. More than 100 people were killed in similar attacks in neighboring Katsina state last week.

Chenshyi village chief Nuhu Moses said Sunday that gunmen killed more than 50 people including the pastor's wife and children. He said the entire village in the southern part of Kaduna state was destroyed.

Local government acting chairman Daniel Anyip said about 100 people were killed in attacks on three villages Friday night.

The Southern Kaduna Indigenes Progressive Forum blamed the government for failing to take action.

As you can see you can keep on denying facts and continue to spread lies that is why we will always be around to refute and debunk all your lies.
Dumbug is a doing a good job of exposing your lies and contradiction that is why I said you guys will always end up contradicting yourself because you are not on the side of truth

 

How do people who only speak Swedish understand it? Only Russian? Only an Indian dialect???


BTW, I understand MY English quite well.......

 

What is going on is christians are killing muslims. You would have us believe that christians don't do this but they do.

The reasons are irrelevant to the nonsense that you claim that christians don't behave as their muslim counter parts... because they do.

I could care less. With any luck both will continue to demand an eye for an eye... and the world will have less stupidity in the gene pool.

 

Dude, I'm an atheist and even I can admit that Islam is far worse than Christianity, at this point in history.

 

One or the other being worse is not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is that WanRen lies when he says that christians don't do what muslims do.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge

The point is I'm a little tired of Wrong Rens lies when he claims that christians don't act the same way as muslims. Here is the proof.

 

Understanding, speaking and education in English are totally different things I am sure you understand and speak very good English.

 

Then you should stop lying to yourself anomalously you just keep on lying that Christians are not being attacked and your continue to focus on Christians who decided to fight back stop pretending and hiding behind your Christian hatred and accept the fact that Muslim extremist are the instigator and aggressors, admit that your type of anti Christian posting will never be tolerated if you post the same hatred towards Muslims in Muslim lands.

 

I never made you believe that there are Christians that are as bad as Muslims but your focus is that Christians should do nothing against the continue and hostile actions by Muslims against Christians particular in your link in Africa. Christian Africans have had enough they are not safe in their churches, homes and villages and when they decide to fight back you come screaming Oh Christians should not fight back turn the other cheek.
Your continue apologetic posting for the extremist Muslims are very clear and need proper respond.
Atheist are able to post their anti Christian materials because they are too coward to post the same against Muslims in Muslims lands because Christians are more tolerant and recognize such negative free speech.

 

There are lots pf evidence that prove God exist the greatest evidence is Jesus Christ and the Pharisees respond to that was to kill Jesus Christ they failed because Christ resurrected then the Romans started to exterminate all followers of Christ from the 1st to 3rd century they too failed, then anti God people introduced a parallel or false Jesus Christ these people or group are refer to us heretics and they too failed, then Islam came introduced an entire different Bible history and facts they called it the Quran then they wage a military campaign against Christians they too failed and now we have atheist and scientologist all introducing their own brand of anti Christ stories with all sorts of evidences lacking in facts.

The burden is on the atheist they tried to use science, history, philosophy, sociology, psychology, and archaeology to disprove the existence of God and the more they try the more evidences point to the existence of God so their last resort is by force.

 

I agree, the bible is easy to disprove, a higher power is impossible to disprove or prove

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while both religions have their bad history, the Muslims fanatics at this time in history are worse then the Christians fanatics at this time in history... that is common sense

sadly I fear both religions will have many many more bad things to give to history in the future

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Sine your focus is anti Christians, in Jolo Philippine back in the 1970's Muslim separatist wage war of secession from the Philippines and it is still on going up to this day and they were very violent just like every Muslim wars have been their strategy was to strike fear both to Muslims and none Muslims this is what made them successful they attacked civilians and commit grave atrocities with all sorts of mutilation on civilians and their captives even surrendering soldiers and the only sect that these Muslims fear was the "Tadtad" a Christian cult that was as fierce, violent and bad as there Muslim enemies and they injected fear and were able to to stop Muslim extremist. These Tadtad a militia of extremist Christians would be policed by the government and forced to lay down their weapons or face arrest they chose to defy the government so the government launch a campaign to wipe them out the government succeeded and the Muslims were every happy and are back waging their wars. The Tadtad and all such extremist Christians groups were used by the government when all seem's lost against Muslims extremist and it would seem's the only way to stop Muslim extremist is with an equal extremist group.

Muslims, Christians, Hindus, and atheist can live in peace as long as all extremist groups are well contain and not allowed to flourished or seize control. In many Muslims countries governments are too weak against Muslim extremist.

In Africa the government has not been very successful in protecting civilians specially Christians the rise of Christian militias have now caught the eye of the world because of their success and sadly their success in protecting their homes was carry out with the same atrocities committed against them by the Muslim extremist and these Christian militias adapted the same method and the African government is and the world are now paying more attention to try and stop or contain the Christian militias from getting out of hand by negotiating with the Muslims extremist groups and Christian militias for a cease fire.

 

Lets see...the probability is 1:1. I'd say that's pretty good....unless you know of other universes around that didn't come into existence naturally.

 

No you keep saying that , not me.

Here is what I keep saying that you keep trying to twist into some thing else because you just refuse to admit that members of your religion are just as bad as the ones you complain about.

This is actually going on today!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge

The atrocities you speak of were in the past but right now ... today ... these christians are doing this.

 

No this again is you trying to twist this to a position that makes you feel comfortable because it was your jesus/god that commanded you to turn the other cheek not me!

Face the truth your religion is as likely to commit atrocities as others. And I personally hope they both do us a favor and remove each other from the gene pool!

As will christians.

This is actually going on today!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge

The atrocities you speak of were in the past but right now ... today ... these christians are doing this.

 

I'm anti all religion everyone but you has been able to grasp that simple point.

You are again twisting my words in an effort to gloss over the truth you try so hard to deny. Christians have done, will do, and are doing what you claim only muslims do.

As will christians.

This is actually going on today!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge

The atrocities you speak of were in the past but right now ... today ... these christians are doing this.

 

I grasp what you are saying you claim you are anti religion but you on the side of the extremist Muslims to kill Christians.

I am on the side of truth and truth is on my side that is why the world is against Muslim extremist except you.

Christians will survive and come out of all these attacks more stronger.

This is actually what is going on and why Christians are fighting back!!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/23/pakistan-church-bombings-christian-minority

Muslim atrocities are in the past and present see how you are not on the side of truth that is why you will always contradict yourself.

 

Why don't you stop this B.S.

You refuse to grasp what I'm saying. Actually I think you do grasp it because it is literally impossible for any person to be this stupid!!!

You just ignore the truth .... christians do mean (*)(*)(*)(*) just like muslims!!! ... And the reason you ignore it is because it doesn't fit into your fantasy!

I hope that both groups remove each other from the gene pool.

As will christians.

This is actually going on today!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge

The atrocities you speak of were in the past but right now ... today ... these christians are doing this.

 

His specialty is BS. He is the voice of satan.
You will soon figure it out.

 

Oh I figured it out long ago. However for me there is nothing funnier than one of satans minions trying to twist and wriggle out from under the anvil of truth!