On what basis do Christians claim that their god is "good"?

God is so omniscient that you fully support only good.
God created angels and gave them free will after that God gave them responsibility if they chose to be evil that is their choice. Just like you can you blame your parents or grandparents for what you chose to become a God hater? I guess you blame your parents for having you born or for creating you do you?
Christianity say about God is that God is all good and Satan is all evil do you agree?

 

That is what those extremist Muslims have been saying and addressing the USA and the West...."the great satan" in fact you part of that great satan unless you move to Muslim lands then you will be free of the great satan and be part of Mohammed. I would prefer By the Power of Christ I compel you!

 

I don't have to, logic and time are part of me you should learn that.

You were very clear in your posting are't you? that you prefer to see Christians get slaughter and not to fight back right.

Yes I agree that is why we Christians have learn not to stay idle because to do so evil will win.

In fact that is what atheist believe they want to cleanse the world make it with out God by force and Gandhi is correct an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind at the same time there is a time to fight and time for peace just war is the only answer against evil because evil respect nothing it is all about the eye.

Wrong God only react to evil He allows every person the chance to become good God does not act before only after and I know you will hate God for that for allowing such evil to act first or God haters to hurt others first before God react.
Innocent until proven guilty modern civil and criminal law that is base on Christian principle.

No you won't you only act on your own accord.

Christians will kill in the name of God
Atheist will kill in their name
Christians will save others in the name of God
Atheist will save others to save them selves first
Christians will sacrifice themselves in the name of God
Atheist will sacrifice others in their name or to save themselves.
Christians care
Atheist don't care.

Why should I be upset on you it is your choice not mine.

Of course you won't lose any sleep because it does not involved you and because we Christians care and you don't.

I hate ignorance too.

Maybe because you can't post the same hatred you are posting against Muslims on Muslim lands and think you can get away with it.
It is very simple the reason why you are able to post your anti Christian stuff is because you live in a Christian society where we Christian respect your right to post such hatred and it is only in Christian land that anti Christian and atheist can prosper now you say you hate ignorance so demonstrate that you are not ignorant regarding the chance of atheist succeeding in introducing their atheistic principle in Muslim lands or even getting a platform without being arrested, deported or beheaded.

Wow! what an attitude of self arrogance! This is the reason why we need more Christians in fact according to AboveAlpha we can now create humans in labs this mean it will be easier we can now order whole sale humans implanted with Christian concept....wait a minute but this would take away free will

 

Hate is hate and you constantly show your bigotry everyday. Have you ever considered it is your own ignorance that is the problem?

 

Before God gave the angels 'free will' as you say, there was no evil. So by creating this so called 'free will', he created evil. And he knew he created evil with this 'free will'. Because as you just said, God knows everything.
I agree, you are satan, and if you want to call yourself evil, go for it.

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I choose to not be part of the baby eating crowd you belong to. That is just evil.

 

Yes there was no evil when God created the angels. Evil came about from free choice to become evil not God's choice. That is why you can not blame your parents for what you become unless they took away your free will. yes God knows everything and He knows that through free will one can truly appreciate life and good. God is so smart that He let you to create evil by giving you free will.
I have always known you are on the side of Satan that is why you support evil up to know you can't say it or proclaim that your on God's side.
You pretend not be part of the baby eating crowd by using babies as human shield to hide evil behind those innocent babies.

Christians will kill in the name of God
Atheist will kill in their name
Christians will save others in the name of God
Atheist will save others to save them selves first
Christians will sacrifice themselves in the name of God
Atheist will sacrifice others in their name or to save themselves.
Christians care
Atheist don't care.

 

"your ignorance" is defiantly the problem.

 

Thanks for proving me correct.

 

predictable and sad

 

I've yet to see anything remotely close to logic in any of your posts

You really need to update your act it's getting old and tired.

What I sais was that I don't care if christians and muslims kill each other they will be doing the world a favor by removing each other from the gene pool.

It was your jesus/god that said don't fight back. Here let me point out the verses for you this time as it is apparent that you don't actually read the bible...

Do you understand now It is your jesus/god that wants you to turn the other cheek and be slaughtered not me.

You are deluded as you are the embodiment evil. You have proven this to many here.

I could care less if you trample the words of your jesus/god. Ignore him all you want as I said the sooner this type of stupidity is removed from the gene pool the better world this will be.

It is you who pointed out that all the babies that were ripped from their mothers wombs on gods command were necessary ... you are the one who thinks infants are evil if god says so. And it is you, not me, that would kill babies if god told you to!

You are correct. If god told me to slaughter babies I would tell him to go F himself, ... you on the other hand would start sharpening your sword!

You care about ingoring jesus's words to "turn the other cheek" ? I could care less... but I do find it funny that you will ignore jesus's command to "turn the other cheek" and yet you would gladly slaughter "infants" if god told you to.

This tells me way more about you than it does these silly gods of yours.

Then why spew it constantly?

I've said both religions are a scourge on mankind.

I live in a country that has a constitution that protects my right to free speech.

If I lived in a christian country that was governed by only the religious right I would not have the right to free speech. It is christians that are constantly trying to enforce their warped sense of morality not atheists. It is christians that get a thrill from trying to impose their silly beliefs not atheists.

Moving the goal posts again I see... well it's ok I will answer your question that has nothing to do with the point I'm making. Ready? The answer is...
The same chance I would have If I lived in a country that was run by right wing christian fundamentalists.

The only point I am making that you keep ignoring is that christians do the same terrible things to muslims as muslims do to christians.

You are correct ... when you try to quote me and others without using the quote function we are all aware that you are applying self arrogance in an effort to give the impression that your opponent has no rebuttal.

But as you can see I have never had a problem rebutting any of your nonsense!

 

How can you see logic when you can't understand it.

My act is a reaction of your action.

And I am confirming your position you don't care and we Christians care.

Very interesting for someone who does not believe in the Bible would use the Bible as a tool to get Christians to seat back and allow ourselves to be slaughtered.
Jesus said turn the other cheek not get slaughtered or allow evil and wicked to win your position is for us Christians to be slaughtered and to do nothing and let evil win.

Please read on: Luke 6:31 Do to others as you would have them do to you. If others would want to slaughter me and my family I will have the right to do the same to them. if they love me I will love them. If they want peace I will give peace, if they want war I will fight them.

Another follower of Satan are you?

That is the talk of atheist super race talk that is what Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc. have tried to do and we know they have all failed just like you will fail too.

It was I who pointed out that God is on the side of good and it was I who exposed your attempts to use innocent babies to defend wicked and evil by using them as human shield.

Of course because you only listen to satan to use babies against God.

God is on the side of good just as I am on God's side. And I can see that you are not on God's side that is why you don't care if Christians including babies are slaughtered and you have the audacity to talk about not killing babies!!!

The only silly thing is your pretentious self proclaim mighty all high pretending you care about the world

I have to counter your ignorance with truth.

Why not atheism too is a scourge on mankind?

A country that protects free speech because of its roots and Christian values. Can you practice your kind of free speech in Muslim or communist countries?

Oh really??? so far all I am reading here are atheist extreme hatred towards Christians.

There is no right wing Christian fundamentalist country because Christians will not allow such extremist to prosper. So you accept that your kind of free speech stand no chance in Muslim countries and the only reason you are able to post your hatred is because you are in a Christian oriented country?

See the way you generalised, how about atheist you mean atheist are none violent, conscientious objectors? In fact I don't think there are such thing as atheist conscientious objectors most atheist are aggressive anti Christian.

You are being quoted are you not or are you just fill with so much arrogance and pride?

So far all your rebuttal has been debunk with great success exposing your own contradictions and weaknesses.

 

It’ so depressing to see the same thing in thread after thread when the subject is some version of atheist vs. Christian etc (I am using general terms). The problem happens when the OT author, usually an atheist activist or someone with an axe to grind begins losing the debate. Then the back and forth quickly gets personal. In this debate there remains some good stuff, I hope we can salvage whats left.

reva

 

I am not an Atheist but I have NEVER seen any topic where any evidence was able to be presented that would as you put it....cause the Atheist position to LOSE the debate.

There does not exist a single shred of evidence proving a GOD to exist.

At the same time no evidence exists proving a GOD does not exist however the BURDEN OF PROOF is upon those claiming a Supernatural Entity Exists.

There is an extremely LOW Probability that a GOD exists and an even lower probability that a GOD exists as is depicted in the Bible.

AboveAlpha

 

This isn’t the point, I would be happy to debate you on the god vs. no god etc thing.

Again that is not the point. You are wrong but its not the point I was making ,lol !

Still wrong and not the point. Re read my reply. If you want to debate the other stuff start a thread and I will visit. Declare what kind of evidence you will accept etc and be precise on the rules. (PLEASE).


reva


ps...One last thing though PLEASE PM ME and give me the probability in a formula notation or a math statement? I need a hour of sleep have had none, after that I will teach you the error of your ways in a kind, civil manner .

 

It is not a question of what kind of evidence I will accept.

It is a question of there being any evidence at all.

The issue is does a GOD exist?

There does not exists ANY PROOF whatsoever that a GOD exists....but the same can be said the other way.

You cannot use the BIBLE as a source of proof as all that is...a BOOK that was CREATED by the Biblical Conon of the Roman Imperial Church under Constantine.

AboveAlpha

 

What you spew is nonsense nothing close to logic. It's sad that you can't understand that

The only thing you have confirmed is that you can't read and comprehend any thing correctly.

What is interesting is that you will ignore your jesus/gods words in one part of the bible and then use them from another part to defend your evil ways.

And this is not what your jesus/god said to do. Like I said you ignore what you don't like in your bible and then use the parts you do like to justify your hated and evil ways. This makes you a hypocrite!

Do you ask B.S. questions because you know I'm right ... or because you are simply full of B.S.?

And now we are back to your tired old, worn out refuge that you always run to when the truth has made you a little uncomfortable.

Another lie. This is why no one here takes you serious.

Because you make up lies about what is or is not being said. Then you pretend that the lies you make up are true. Then you rebut the lies you make up and pretend that you have effectively debated some one but you haven't all you have done is argue with your self concerning the lies YOU made up. Your pathetic!

And here you prove that the statement I just made is true. Your pathetic!

Yes I do have the audacity to clearly state that if your god told me to slaughter babies I would tell him to go F himself. You would start sharping your sword.

Take an English course for crying out loud!!!! Your grammar makes you out to be an idiot.

You wouldn't know what truth was if it smacked you in the face.

Wrong again. It is the separation of church and State that makes free speech possible. If this were a christian country it would be as repressive as the muslim countries you refer to.

I don't hate the christian ... I hate the ignorance ... and god has blessed you in this area!!!

Nothing you have said has been able to disprove any thing I have said because you have addressed NOTHING I have said. You have only twisted my words into nonsensical things I never would have or did say in the first place.

The only point I made was that christians kill muslims. And I provided the link to prove my statement to be fact.

You have twisted this into something it never was in an effort to not face the truth! That being ... christians do what you claim only muslims do.

Personally I don't care.. which simply means I don't care. It doesn't mean I wish muslims would kill christians .. this is your lie that you made up when twisting my words to mean something they don't mean.

You are a liar, a fraud, and one of the worst examples of a christian that I have ever encountered.

 

WanRen-2

Anomaly-0

 

Wishful thinking and lies.

 

There is not debate as there is no evidence, proof or requirement for any god. Just people who are ignorant of facts.

 

Don't be so hard on yourself. Just stop ignoring facts and you will see plenty of evidence, proof, etc...

 

Well, when you present ONE, let us know. Quit waffling and thinking god is the default position. It's not and the fact that you are unable to present positive evidence for ANY god, only highlights the flaw of your position.

 

Still awaiting that proof you claim to have. Ya know, just wishing something to be true, isn't proof...after all, that's what you're doing.

 

Have yall' given any thought to the Penrose calculation? BTW Penrose is NOT a Theist he is an avowed skeptic. Anyone that debates this kind of thing should know these things better than they know what their nose looks like, but I will have mercy and fill in some information blanks all can be verified by Google or the public library ; . Rodger Penrose is a eminent mathematician who said the odds against our universe beginning to exist from random causes and turning out like it is conductive to life etc is ten to the tenth to the one-hundred-twenty-third power !!!!!!
It implies that something created the universe etc. Oh yeah before the bait and switch that is employed by most of those that hate god or just likes to debate straw men to those atheists that make completely honest mistakes etc please define God. Define evidence etc for this debate. remember God loves this forum its members and lthe world at large, and I am trying to!


reva

 

After reading your post I now know why for some "christians" there is only one emotion, anger.

They are angry, so angry they insist everyone is as angry as they are.

A life lived in constant anger makes a person ill, physically and mentally, which explains a lot about certain 'christians"...

They must have a horrible energy draining unhappy life..

 

I can easily define proof. Re-grow a limb. As for defining god/s, I leave that to those who claim such things exist. Though they're remarkably quiet on the subject.

Meantime, how do you know your god is good?