Earth Is Heating Faster Than We Realized

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Earth Is Heating Faster Than We Realized, Making 2°C Limit For Global Warming More Urgent

    This one made me laugh. This alarmist ThinkProgress article is based on a recent study of the Southern Hemisphere Ocean Temperature.

    Anything for a AGW headline right?

    Here is the paper.

    Quantifying underestimates of long-term upper-ocean warming


    Read the abstract and tell me what you find. I will comment later.
     
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    Everyone can see that.
     
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    Naturally, they'll ignore this bit of science, though of course it's carefully written to try and avoid becoming a problem for the Climate Change Industry:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141006101043.htm

    Earth's ocean abyss has not warmed, NASA study finds

    Summary:
    The cold waters of Earth's deep ocean have not warmed measurably since 2005, according to a new NASA study, leaving unsolved the mystery of why global warming appears to have slowed in recent years. But scientists say these findings do not throw suspicion on climate change itself.

    The cold waters of Earth's deep ocean have not warmed measurably since 2005, according to a new NASA study, leaving unsolved the mystery of why global warming appears to have slowed in recent years.

    Scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, analyzed satellite and direct ocean temperature data from 2005 to 2013 and found the ocean abyss below 1.24 miles (1,995 meters) has not warmed measurably. Study coauthor Josh Willis of JPL said these findings do not throw suspicion on climate change itself.

    "The sea level is still rising," Willis noted. "We're just trying to understand the nitty-gritty details." :lol: Yeah, sure buddy.

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  4. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That paper and the paper I referenced came out about the same time. I want someone to read the abstract and tell me what they see.
     
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    so if their first readings were inaccurate then how can we be sure that these are right?....
     
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    It's even better than that.
     
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    they use computer models but anyone with half a brain knows the computer model is only has good has the information you put into it...faulty info gives faulty results....
     
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    Climate models instead of raw measure?
     
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    Tada, very close.

    From the Durack, et al, paper referenced above comes this statement in the abstract:

    ” … the hemispheric partitioning of simulated upper-ocean warming is inconsistent with observed in-situ-based ocean heat content estimates. Relying on the close correspondence between hemispheric-scale ocean heat content and steric changes, we adjust the poorly constrained Southern Hemisphere observed warming estimates so that hemispheric ratios are consistent with the broad range of modeled results.”

    So they used models to adjust “observed in situ-based OHC estimates.” In others words we used the model to adjust the “observed” data.

    What is hilarious is the kind of stories that come out of this like the one from ThinkProgress(ive dementia).
     
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    I notice that no one was able to refute the actual study. Feel free to do that

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    Try reading

     
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    What's to refute? LOL
     
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    There was frost in my yard yesterday morning. Earliest in decades.

    How's that?
     
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    Actually..... the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is in the Southern Hemisphere so anybody who researches this topic would consider those statistics relevant.

    The foundational ice of the W. A. I. S. is below sea level........... think about that for a few moments!


    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...g-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-might-be-unstoppable

    If anything remotely similar to what is happening in the Arctic happens also in the southern hemisphere we could be in for rapid sea level rise because everybody that I know who has worked up north is shocked by how much warmer the summers are now....... and how much longer they are lasting!
     
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    Guess that is why the southern hemisphere is cooling and the northern warming (that is only if the measured temperatures are not adjusted to fit the models. LOL). There is a reason the sea ice in the southern hemisphere is the largest ice growth in the history of satellite measurements. The hemispheres often are at odds.

    BTW, there was a paper in 2012 that showed that the southern hemisphere was losing more radiation to space.

    BTW, if the ice is below sea level then it will not add to sea level and the estimate for the alleged collapse is 200 to 900 years.
     
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    Manwhile, in California schools are on short schedules with 102 temps causing major issues. Worldwide this was one of the hottest years on record, the cool temps in much of the U.S. were offset by record highs elsewhere in the world.
     
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    Nobody has yet to explain why climate change is a bad thing.
     
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    Whatever man does to this planet is natural. For no matter what man does, it is natural. Yet if man threatens the earth, the earth has its ways of taking care of man. That too is natural.

    The only question is, do we want to live in harmony with the natural order of the earth, and help insure our own existence for a long time, or do we want to do what is natural for us, and pollute and mess with the environment so that the earth shakes us off like a flea ridden dog. The choice is ours.

    So far, we have had a hard time understanding that this is our home, and perhaps we should take a second look at how we are hurting ourselves and other life in our economic insanity. We don't seem to understand that we need a healthy earth for survival of our species. We don't seem to understand the totality, but are ignorantly stuck in a fragmentary view of our very existence. As if what we do out of stupidity will be ok, and not affect later generations.
     
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    Hmm, lets see. Droughts are common in California and it has had droughts as long as 200 years. Droughts are more common when it is cooler and the reason they are having a drought is because of a lack of a Pacific warming El-Nino.

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    You would have to assume that CO2, required for life, is a pollutant. Just think, higher levels of CO2 enhance plant growth.
     
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    OK I'll bite at message #6. The observable data does not comply with their modeling results so so they declare the observable data inaccurate and adjust it to comply with their modeling results.
     
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    Yep, I gave it away earlier. Pretty slick eh, especially when it gets picked up by ThinkProgress(ive dementia) and tout, "its worse than we thought". Bwaaahahahaha.
     
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    Good comments Hoosier8... but take a look at the image in this article and you will quickly see why I am concerned.

    Have you seen this image before?

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090205142132.htm

    Collapse Of Antarctic Ice Sheet Would Likely Put Washington, D.C. Largely Underwater




     
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    The observable data refutes their "adjusted to comply with" their desired results.
     
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    For the rise in sea level that the alarmists have claimed, all of West Antarctica would have to melt and that is unlikely. There are only a few glacial moraines that are allegedly in danger and the rise from them would be 4 inches if they collapsed and that in 200 to 900 years. Have some faith in humanities ability to adapt. Some articles have read the paper wrong and given a 4 meter rise (13 feet).
     
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    OMG!!!!

    [video=youtube;FdehOa1oWBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdehOa1oWBE[/video]
     
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    One should also realize that the WAIS collapse paper is hypothesis, not something known as a fact.
     

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