Why would I worship and love a "God" who ordered infanticide?

Archeologists are part of the International Atheist Conspiracy!!!!!



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In less than an hour?!?!?

 

Aztec aren't around either and we know that because its clear what happened from actual historical records but their descendants survived in the people in the region, all that happened is Caanite culture fell but since they were in between most major powers it would have happened sooner or later that doesn't mean "god did it" just cultural shifts and interbreeding or assimilation to other societies happened over time. And we can't rule out shifts in climate or trade routes made the cities unsupportable.

Look at the West many towns died due to no railroad, loss of a gold deposit or people deciding to go to greener pastures did that has happened to cities and even large populations in history on a grander scale.

 

To the poster(s) who claim that "killing babies isn't always immoral"....

what other supposedly "evil" things "aren't always immoral" according to the Bible?

Is rape potentially "not immoral" in some circumstances? And at some point ...does the word "sin" become so "conditional" as to be meaningless to you?

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Israel destroyed the Aztecs....it's in the Bible...."er, some place in the middle" (Homer Simpson)

 

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Lots of people go insane, Nazi Germany comes to mind.

 

a change of mind can happen in a heartbeat

 

Apparently....one wonders what ELSE on the Bible, Christianity, etc. you could change your mind on so quickly?



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Okay, you just compared the Israelites...ironically.....to Nazis.

 

Well you compared God to a mass murderer...

 

Unfortunately, that's the way the Bible describes him. I realize that's not the God you believe in, and I'm very appreciative of that, but I don't see how it is an inaccurate way to describe the God of the literal Bible.

 

I already told you, I am not a fundamentalist, not all things in the Bible are to be taken literally. Apparently you do...more power to you. I just don't believe the way you do that's all.

 

Yes, we can't take it at its word, we can't trust what it says, we can't take it at face value, we can't believe it means what it says, or says what it means.

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Wait, so let me get this straight - their own book itself describes their magic invisible man in the sky as a MASS MURDERER, and yet they still STAY in that cult? Why?

 

You are agreeing with yourself...have fun with that.

 

Considering Christian doctrine is so corrupted that it is essentially pagan then pretty much everything we know about Christianity in the west

 

Actually, I think there are thousands of good reasons why a Christian should be a non-literalist. But this discussion has involved several people who do believe that God ordered the deaths of Amalekite children and that this was justified. When atheists talk about God being a monster, that's what they are normally talking about (though not always) -- the way that the Bible describes him and that many people believe in him. I have no beef with, say, the God of the Quakers.

 

Except we see Aztec ruins above ground and not underneath it. Not only that, but they're wholly intact. The Canaanite excavations are not wholly intact.

 

*shake head*

Okay fine. Jesus speaks about three different types of Eunuchs in these scriptures. I'm going to address the second and third eunuchs first and then address the first type of eunuch afterwards as it's the one at issue here.

The second type of eunuch Jesus mentions is "a eunuch who was made a eunuch by men". This is the traditional type of eunuch. A male who has been castrated by someone else so that he can be placed in a position such as a servant for a woman and nobody has to worry about him trying to have sex with her.

The third type of eunuch Jesus mentions is "a eunuch who made himself a eunuch for the kingdom of heaven's sake". This is an individual who has chosen to be celibate. He has chosen to be celibate so that he can remove a temptation that he has to deal with and make it easier to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Now on to the important one. The first type of eunuch Jesus mentions is the "eunuch who was born thus from his mothers' womb". Now, as far as I can tell, there's really only two options here. Either Jesus is talking about a minute portion of the population, as in less than 1.66x10^-7 or .00000016% chance (probably even less back then) of it occuring who, for some reason, their medical disorder should dissuade them from getting married. Because these people are born without a set of testicles.

But there is another option. An option that is far more logical, reasonable and consistent. It seems clear to me that Jesus is referring to homosexuals. People who are born from their mothers womb with no desire to have sex with a woman. Jesus declares that it's better if these people should not marry. This makes more sense than the other option because an individual without a pair of testicles should still be allowed to marry. Whereas an individual who is a homosexual would have to go outside of the marriage paradigm described by Jesus Christ within the bible... meaning a man and a woman... if he wanted to engage in sex. And while he could still technically get married to a woman, I think even homosexuals can recognize it is better if they don't marry someone of the opposite sex. And by Jesus' description of what marriage is, the gay guy wouldn't be allowed to get married to someone of the same sex.

 

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America killed many many women and babies,.. and kids,... as they bombed Germany to the ground.
What is this silly attempt at guilt???

Are you saying that killing people on the other side of a War is something new to you??

You are Pro-Gay and trying to make religious people think they are wrong about gayness being a socialevil, but attacking every aspect of religion is a waste of time, especially for thise answering you back here.

Gayness kills kids with the child abuse every year.
Gayness is a social evil which kills kids during peace time.

 

Justify..?

God is Reality.
War is Hell.

You must think that the A-bomb in Japan didn't kill babies.
Patriarchs, whether Hebrews or Muslims, will wipe out whole societies which are sexually promiscuous and think nothing of it.

Stop thinking like a woman,... that our side must pretend that war does hurt anyone but soldiers.

 

Studies have resulted in stating that homosexuals, by and large are taught by older Gays to behave this way.
There is zero evidence that people are born to be Gay, tho'.
It is true that fatherless men, eunuchs, are those who elect to be priests because they will not serve the works of Reality, but the obligations of the wife first.
And it was true, that ancient people held slaves which they castrated.

It was also true, even now, that many straight single males are born to be bachelors, like Bill Maher, for instance.

 

Killing people in battle is war. They went around, dragged women and children from their homes and executed them, and proclaimed it the will of god. That is not war, that is genocide. The hebrews were no better than the Nazis.

And i consider the use of the a bombs to be terrorism. They purposely targeted civilians in order to cause fear and demoralize the Japanese people.

 

Didn't we do the same thing to the native americans?

So then can you come to the same conclusion and say "the americans are no better than the Hebrews or the Nazi's". Right?

 

the difference is that Israel was the home of the Israelites and always will be. they defended their home unlike americans who invaded native americans and wiped them out. so actually americans are a lot worse than the Hebrews. you could even put america above the nazis in terms of wickedness.

 

The Americans who did that? Sure. I'm not going to blame modern Americans for it, but yes, the Americans who wiped out an entire continent of native people were no better.

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The Israelites did not yet live in that land. They believe God promised them the land, so they wiped out the people who were already living there. How was the American doctrine of Manifest Destiny any different? They believe that God had given them this continent just as the Israelites believed God had given them their land.

 

Israel was Egyptian territory. It was essentially Greater Egypt at that time, the egyptian priest led the "Israelites" to the promised land. The Israelites were technically Egyptians having been there for over 400 years. Americans are brutal colonists and by extension, through their european brothers, conducted a smash and grab raid over the entire globe leaving no nation un turned. you should be in the news section with me, trying to bring down our wicked western governments that are alive and well today.

 

Did God mandate that the US bomb Nagasaki???

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The Israelites were just another of many Canaanite tribes living in Palestine.