Jeremy Corbyn elected Labour leader in stunning victory

With almost 60% of the vote Jeremy Corbyn has been elected leader of the Labour Party. He is potentially the next Prime Minister of the UK.

His stance: anti austerity, get rid of trident, leave Nato and some renationalisation.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/12/jeremy-corbyn-wins-labour-party-leadership-election

Britain may be changing

What do you think the impact of this will be?

 

This is just a response to the fact that other people's money eventually runs out but people still want free stuff. He may or may not lead Britain down the path of Greece.

 

I'd say it is much more a pro democracy anti spin vote.

 

I would say it is more a response to austerity. His win is democracy in action but populist democracy is not always the right thing at the right time though it appeases the masses but that is always the case with democratic voting. I like his anti-war stance but the rest is pure socialist baloney based on central control IMHO.

 

I personally like the guy. A good old chap. However I can see Tories being in power for many more years to come. The British political system is completely rotten. It's rigged to favour the rich. They will make sure nothing changes. I'm sorry to say, but the British also have become the nation of whimps. The only people who rebel against neoliberal tyranny are the French.

 

You see I can tell from what you have written that you are just sticking stereotypes on him with no knowledge of what he is really like. He is not a populist. People voted for him for that very reason. That is that he is a principled man who spoke what he believed. They also liked that he was bringing Labour, the party of the people back to the people. Every single group of people that had the vote voted for him.

What ya think of getting rid of Trident and leaving Nato. He has also said he will not endorse any inversions into Syria.

 

That he got the popular vote is the definition of populist, just like Obama winning the election on 'Hope and Change'. Like I said, I like his anti-war stance so that is not an issue with me.

 

It is indeed. We need proper constitutional change. Talk so far about that has been wishy washy. However there are some good proposals for proper Constitutional change which hopefully being a firm believer in democracy he will follow.

Powerlessness can make people appear whimps. Obviously first Thatcher and then Blair sold our democracy to Global Capitalism and we have become an increasingly unequal society with virtually no social mobility. Coming from the States neo cons starting in the late 60's was the idea that democracy was not a good thing. This was taken on by Thatcher and Blair if for no other reason because he wanted to be PM.

Whatever happens there surely has to be some change now. Labour has already started talking about working in communities and being with the people again. There is going to be change. The problem is how many neo libs their are in the Labour Party to stop it.

Also young people were massively involved in this. Get them involved in politics and it will change.

 

It might be when people deliberately bring forward views that they know are popular which they do not necessarily have to get people's vote and usually have some alterior agenda. This was a very different situation. The man was put in to be a token representative of left but from almost the very beginning people were much more interested in listening to his views because they hit a chord and no one, no one would have described them as in any way popular prior to this referendum.

You are correct though that he got advice from people like the SNP, Syriza etc on the attitude to take and by that chose to be positive and not to attack his opponents as they ruthlessly were him.

I would also say I think that Nicola Sturgeon (SNP Leader) did affect the English electorate by taking part in election debates before the May election. Plenty of English were wanting to vote for her but of course could not. I think therefore she may have woken up many English who were then there to listen to Corbyn who shares some of Nicola's views but this is not populism - far from that. This is about bringing democracy back...and well if that is popular good thing!!

 

You can't escape global Capitalism unless you want Britain to be like North Korea. Good or bad, capitalism is what made Britain great in the first place otherwise it would be just another backwater country. What hurts the country is the left wing socialist ideology that somehow, government can control what happens in the economy. It can, but most often it brings everyone down to the lowest common denominator and kills actual economic growth (which raises all boats as President Kennedy said) The current world debt bubble has been caused by government interference and the divide in wealth more a result of false growth based on continued borrowing that eventually collapses. A leader that continues to promise success based on other peoples money will eventually ruin the economy and basically, no matter who has been in power, that is what has been happening. The left wants to have a bogeyman and use so those that still have money are used as the enemy when it is government involvement that has done the most damage but since government still provides soothing words, people continue to be fooled.

The problem isn't capitalism, the problem is crony capitalism but then, that is what made Britain great in the first place isn't it?

 

I would say his win pretty much proves that democracy has never left. Right or left, the vote always swings like a pendulum and will swing his way for awhile then swing back depending on the country or even world situation at the time (and of course propaganda). That is just the nature of democratic vote.

 

It will be interesting for sure but the labour party surely is going to be majorly fractured. Any of the labour party MP's especially the Blairites who are not akin to Old Socialist Labour will be entirely against Corbyn as leader and what he stands for. History tells us fractured parties lead to losing elections. It will be a huge challenge for Corbyn to bring the party together.

Having said all that, I think his policies will be a disaster. His non-interventionist foreign policy is a breath of fresh air but everything else is essentially the opposite of what I believe. I've always said I'd never vote labour and Corbyn's election further strengthens that.

 

Everything changes. Plenty of people have already written books on post Global Capitalism. A system which is against democracy and for constant war and which has been seen to be incapable of working on a meritocratic way but rather is creating it's own class of aristocracy while the general population become more and more poor - a system which has shown itself to work by gambling and then demanding the people without money pay for their failures has shown itself futile and is on its way out - and with that wars too power back to the people over the next decades will change that.

Whatever happens the world is changing. We can either go war,war war or become democracies and create decent lives for our people.

 

I was in London in June and walked along with the anti-austerity protesters for a while. Very large group of people! Why does he want to leave NATO?

 

Even when Blair was Leader you didn't vote Labour?

The Labour party made massive changes to its character under Blair. It can do so again. It will be interesting to see what happens. He is very much for inclusion of other views and some have already said they will vote against him if a vote comes up to attack Syria where he will be voting against.

I don't think there will be massive immediate change but I think change has started. As the BBC has said the strength of his vote is going to make it very difficult for him to be 'got rid of' quick.

His views on Nato and Trident come of course from his time with Benn who wanted the UK to be a peaceful society with a strong voice in the UN. Think of us going by International Law again. Think of the idea of going by International Law gaining worldwide support. We certainly need it. Would people be wanting to attack us? Unlikely. Also, certainly from what I have been hearing, there is a strong feeling now in the UK against Trident. Better to invest in good weapons for defence. The North Sea is not even properly protected by the current Government though it does not mind spending billions on weapons of mass destruction.

Of course if you have never voted Labour - do not know your age- but maybe you never would.

 

Well, global capitalism is already proving that opinion wrong with the lives of Indians and Chinese improving with the results of global capitalism. The countries that have adopted socialist ideologies find themselves in an untenable position based on a false promise. The reason? Competition which shows the flaws of systems based on government promises that cannot economically be kept.

 

It will be either Siriza way (if the leader appears to be weak) or the GB will change completely the way it was before Thatcher. Brits have surprised me. I haven't expected this result to be honest. I was expecting someone young, well-dressed and gay-looking.

 

And the Tories are terrified that they might now have some genuine opposition rather than the 'Conservative-lite' of New Labour.

 

Well, I am often amused to listen to debates in Parliament and how they often mirror what you hear in the US. Right now on both sides of the pond, people are finding those that don't 'appear' to be political elitists as favorable, even if they have actually been in the system for awhile. Here, that explains the popularity of Trump and Sanders.

 

Good luck to him. The other three were total (*)(*)(*)(*)e. The two women remind me of the type that agitate in an office and probably hate men. Burhham just sounds thick.

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And child rapists like Leon Britton and Greville Janner.

 

Often politicians blather sound bites that they think poll well. Just my opinion but one attraction of Corbyn is that he has not done that but has stuck to what he has always said. That is one of Bernie Sanders qualities that some voters find attractive. IMO, voters are not often presented with politicians that speak their mind.

 

Historically, the Labour Party does a very good job of sucking the country dry, and blaming everyone else for their troubles. Can't wait to see how this chapter comes out. (ick)

 

At least Corbyn tends to answer a question, rather than resort to cliché and dodging. I favour his economic philosophy and non- interventionist stance. I’m reasonably favourable toward his stance on Trident and NATO. I can’t vote for him though. His immigration policies are the polar opposite of mine, and immigration is a massive issue for me and the British people.

 

And of course your jaw-dropping national debt carefully nurtured under Bush's incompetence did wonders for American prosperity, didn't it?

 

What would you expect from another progressive?