It is 2015 , should governments outlaw religion?

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  1. Equality

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    I have no emotional weight, I don't really do emotions, I am dead and alive at the same time, that is the truth though, you cant actually be killed you can only be silenced because we only a conscious thought inside of a shell, I think it is much more modern and upto date and the aspects are incredible, when our energies merge with space, we become one and there is an equality for all, space is neutral to all energies .

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    It as been proved nothing is ever lost over and over again..so therefore I dont need to die to know, because we already know this happens.
     
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    that could be applied to my soul going to Heaven, too.


    My body breaking down and returning to the earth is not what I am denying here.... I agree with the entire circle of life thing... Free will (the soul) is what you can't prove/disprove until you die.... and at that point, there is no going back on previous life choices.... no doovers
     
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    But oh yes I can prove it, when your ''life energy'' leaves your body, your neural-logical network ceases to be, there is no ''CPU'' to convert the information of the electrical or electrochemical information contained in the light/EMR. You cease to be being conscious like when you are a sleep.

    If there is no action, there is no opposite reaction, our brains are the reactions to the action of light signals.

    Energy propagating through space is neutral, you are welcome to look all this up.
     
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    Wake up ''Truman''

    The new atheist logo , wear it on a tee-shirt with pride

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    Not so talkative now are we?

    Religion - Having showing rigid opinions or a narrow petty outlook not willing to listen to or tolerate other people's views; prejudiced by false beliefs with 0% evidential merit.
     
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    Then, based on this thread, you have a religion.
     
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    I'm sure the Greek atheists thought the same thing.....

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    Hmm, the Big Bang theory was first proposed by a Jesuit priest.
     
  8. Equality

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    Nope there is no gods, no belief, there is objective none biased facts.

    Religion - An illusion of the masses created by the very background of space and the inability to exceed the boundary of distance of the space between the observer and the light limit of observation.


    There is no illusion in logic. Atheism is now logic based using all the 2015 years or so of facts and proof's. Neither is it of present science, there is Truman's in science. We from now will refer all religions and any believers as Truman's.
     
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    Prison is an example of the above, so no, people would not gladly wake up to that.
     
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    But it is not known that God is an abstract. That is an assumption you are making. There is no evidence for or against God. That is why the only truly objective opinion is agnosticism. I'm not an agnostic, but if I weren't religious, that is what I would be. Atheism is just as irrational and faith-based as religion.

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    Well, at least in the U.S., religion is not taught in public schools. Again, you are basing your conclusions on very limited evidence.

    Atheism has also killed millions.
     
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    you keep saying you prove it... but you haven't yet. Saying it's proven is not proven.... it will be proven the day we die... not a day sooner. Until then... it's faith
     
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    Not in public schools in the U.S. You are basing your opinions on very limited evidence.
     
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    Prisoners do not get rewarded like holidays and such, I bet you the average american family is limited travel and probably rarely gets an holiday, working hard on low means to just eat and afford accommodation supporting their family the best they can, unable to afford an holiday, surrounding become the prison we don't need bars to be imprisoned. They are already prisoners, where are they going to go?
     
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    The interesting thing is that the book he quotes is from Chick publications. Chick publications are an extremely anti-Catholic ministry of a fundamentalist Protestant Christian group. Using a Chick publication for evidence totally kills your own argument. The thing is Equality doesn't have a whole lot of background on the U.S., and bases his views on his very limited worldview, rather than a global view.
     
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    The Uk schools certainly teach it, they even teach Muslim, even if it is mentioned even in history , it is still teaching it. I think your boss needs a serious talk with our boss.
     
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    Your not religious, you just are in hope there is something after death, you all fear death, you cant see past the blackness background of space, this leads to an abstract thought in your mind that the abstract book and someone else thought up when their science hit a dead end in considering how we got here.
     
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    There is nothing inherently coercive about belief in religion, religious practice, or the association of organized religious institutions.

    In using state agents with firearms to forcibly (and, ultimately - violently) suppress such voluntary association, you yourself become the criminal. You are initiating a criminal act on innocent individuals.

    I am an Atheist. Stop making the rest of us look like a bunch of militant scum. To any religious people who have read his op, please accept my deepest apologies. You should be able to worship and associate with your fellow congregates in peace. Please don't judge all of us on the actions and opinions of the few bad apples, and I won't judge you based on yours.

    Deal?
     
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    I have no problem with you wanting to persuade the phase out. I do object to your wish to use governmental force to not allow people free will, which is exactly what you are advocating. Not sure about the continued garbage about religion in schools, that must be a local issue. In the U.S., public (meaning tax-payer funded schools run by the government) schools do not teach religion, other than comparative religion (which just teaches about religion as an academic subject, not something that should be believed in).
     
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    According to your constitution though, you have to by law and congress allow all religious freedom, so therefore you by your own laws have to allow religions teaching of any religion that including Muslim, the 1 st amendment states religious freedom but does not state a specific religion.
     
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    It should not even be mentioned as a comparative, there is no use for it in society any more, it is the equivalent to spending years discussing just a Harry Potter book.
     
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    Huh? I don't quite understand the logic of the above. That said, as I posted before, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights acknowledges a universal human right to freedom of religion.

    http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html

     
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    Instead wanting to do that which you accuse religion of how about you make a real difference in the world and take some advise from the article you quote.

    "What is your religion, Alexander Light?
    I have been asked this question many times. I was born a christian, but I have no religion -- though I am a spiritual person. I would never knowingly harm another human being or any living creature on Earth. I am, hopefully, becoming a better human being with each passing day. "

    What are you doing to become a better human being each and every day?
     
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    The reason collectivist want to ban religion is because they need the state to be the only harbinger of values. There can be no challenge to the socialist agenda. Religion is a threat to the only law that matters to them. Their law
     
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    The right to religion (or to not worship) is a fundamental human right. Of course our government should be defending that. The legitimate reason for government is to protect basic human rights. Everything else the government does is optional.

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    Regardless of the U.S. Constitution, the basics of human rights remain unchanged. The U.N. recognized this in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In other words, established international law establishes a right to worship (or not) as you freely choose.
    See Article 18.
    http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html
     

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