Deuteronomy 12:13-15 "If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, 'Let us go and worship other gods' (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock." Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
Don't see your point here. I stated the old testament is violent but replaced by the new testament and it never tells its followers to kill nonbelievers as the Quran does repeatedly
You said bible. Thou shalt not kill is OT, handed to moses. Not sure you understand the bible enough. If christians only follow the NT, why all the references all the time to OT laws about gays or any other things people have been tortured for because the OT says something about it?
I don't know. The bible seemed clear about destruction and mocking God. God seemed to be one hateful son of a b*tch when anyone played him the wrong way. Why am I required to provide proof to the book you hold sacred when you can't prove something that is against such a thing? One must wonder, how do Muslims feel towards your belligerence when you know nothing about their religious holy text.
Matthew does not call for the slaughter of non be!ievers and if that's the best you can do you prove my point for me.
The new testament is a new set of rules to follow brought by Jesus. The old testament is only quoted by Christians as historicle context of events and eye for an eye is replaced by turn the other cheek - - - Updated - - - Can't find bible quotes about killing nonbelievers huh.
1. The Church does not shy away from history it admits its mistakes, wrongs ads sins and through those to become better. Islam and others do not up to now they continue to deny their sins and atrocities against humanity. 2. You class your self as an anti West not me. 3. You pointed out your clouded understanding of the world and world history bias towards and against the West. 4. Islam is not limited to the Middle East and Islam is the greatest plunderer and destroyer of history and civilization again a clear sign of your lack of true education in history and biased towards the West. 5. I suggest you withdraw that statement.
Jesus taught Turn the Other cheek as a way for the Jews to survive the Roman occupation and shame the enemy.. Read it in context.
Jesus didn't teach the gentiles.. The Sermon on the Mount which you reference was teaching the Hebrews non-violent liberation theology.. to help the Jews survive the harshness and humiliation of the Roman occupation.. the burning issue of the day.
I'm no bible scholar and am not a church going Christian but the way I understand it Jesus ushered in a new dogma that preached forgiveness and tolerance and non violence. That is night and day to what I'm reading in the Quran and the more I read the less I believe it is a religion of Peace as some say. By the way I've read the bible cover to cover too, old and new testament
Then by now you know that Muhammed wasn't deified. He was a man, a messenger... Jesus didn't found a new religion.. He was a Jew.. He preached to the Jews not the gentiles... Paul reinvented Jesus so Christians come to this vague belief that Jesus wasn't a true old testament Jew. Jerusalem was in bandit territory on the trade route.. That's why it was a walled city with gates that were closed at night. Back then caravan raiding was a way of life.. It was the same in the days of Muhammed.
I never withdraw statements that have been proven true. Your quote I have never classed myself as anti Western. You have. Have you served your country in the Services? Have you sworn to defend your country. Well, I have. Withdraw that statement.
Margot2...... I am sorry to bother you.... but frankly I would love to get your reaction to this thread....... But be careful my friend......... there is evidence that suggests that every instant that took place in the year 1500 has been RECORDED..... on something that some term the Akashic Record...... which is something like the complete DVD tape library of all events...... of all of human history............ and pre-history........ and a lot more than that! http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...t-richard-dawkins-ph-d-basically-correct.html I hate to admit it but.... Richard Dawkins Ph. D. is basically correct! Yes...… Richard Dawkins Ph. D. is correct........... the G-d of Abraham as depicted in the Jewish Bible........... doesn't seem a whole lot better than Allah of dogmatic and simplistic Islamic thought?!?! So how do I as a Messianic Gentile / Christian.... deal with this fact?!
But he certainly taught Samaritains......... which many Jews of that time regarded as the worst of the Gentiles..... due to their having some Jewish customs! Lately I have began to wonder if the Parable of the Good Samaritain....... applies as we Christians starring as the Scribes and Pharisees..... and the LGBT community starring as one variation of the Samaritains?????? In other ways.... many Muslims also are in the role of modern Samaritains.... even though they may be eighty percent genetically descended from Judah, Levi, Benjamin and other of the lost tribes of Israel. Extremely angry Muslims though who advocate genocide on the LGBT community living in their lands....... are very much like those Scribes and Pharisees of the time of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus!
Muslims believe that he was the perfect human (al-Insān al-Kāmil) and an excellent model of conduct (uswa hasana).
You need to read about Muhammad, too, since what he did trumps the Qu'ran. He's their esteemed prophet and supreme example.
Okay if god in the OT taught to murder unbelievers by his example and that of his mortal followers then changed his mind either: 1. This god is a monster and he didn't want Jesus himself to teach mercy. OR 2. This god is too much of an idiot to be clear about its wishes. The Koran is no different either god tells his people to kill infidels and apostates OR he changed it around later so its the same thing allah is either a monster or an idiot. Seriously that is simple enough?
1. Neither do I withdraw statements that are true about biased claims about the West. 2. Stop self incriminating yourself. Yes I have served and swore to defend my country that is why I support the West over Islamic radicalism. 3. What statement have you withdrawn?
Matthew does not call for the slaughter of unbelievers but the OT does. Here is the problem for Christian doctrine which tells us that Jesus is in fact God (aka God of Abraham) The OT law was said to come directly from God = Directly from Jesus. Herein lies the rub.
