How GOP Social Security Cuts Will Hurt You

Eff the government on the double dipping. In any event, if you have enough working quarters in the SS arena, there is no penalty for having worked both sectors, public and private. And that is the way it should be. SS is not only a safety net, it's a GD noose around the neck whether or not we chose to have it. They better pay up when mandated contributions have been met, whether or not other pensions are in play. EFF the socialists.

 

No it isn't. It never was. It was sold to the public as insurance but that was already determined to be unconstitutional so it is a simple tax and spend scheme like every welfare program.

 

The economy is currently doing quite well. The counter factual arguement that is could be doing better is disingenuous.

 

It's fact it could be doing lots better than the last two years when it has done some what better than the previous 8. The denials are disingenuous notbthe facts.

 

But Republicans have had a major issue and now suddenly a Republican plan that will massively increase the defecit is no big deal. Just fun to point out the Republican hypocracy.

And by the way if you look at the data Obama has done a great job of reducing the annual defecit after the massive first few year defecits necessary to save the economy from the Bush recession. And now the Trump tax cuts will reverse that trend.

 

Obamacare requires pre-existing conditions to be covered with no lifetime limits. Republicans have said they are going to repeal and replace it. There's no guarantee that the elderly will be able to purchase insurance with the subsidy, as in Ryan's plan. That is exactly why we have Medicare now… because the elderly couldn't get insurance companies to offer affordable health care, at a time when they needed it most.

SS is a safety net. When you have an operable jet pack and you're on a trapeze, you don't need a net like someone without a jet pack. The government puts the safety net there for you, in case your jet pack fails, but they don't provide you with two jet packs and give others none.

 

Excuse me? The Republicans handed the Democrats a paltry $161B deficit in 2007. The Democrats then raised spending 9% in 2008 and then 18% in 2009 and the deficit soared to a shopping $1,400B in just tow years and stayed over $1,000B for the next 4 years. The worst Republican deficit was the one year $400B in 2004. The Democrats including Senator and then President Obama didn't even come close to the worst Republican deficit.

 

Cite where the Republicans have said there will be no pre-existing coverage. And allowing people to shop a wide varitety of policies seems a better plan than the Obamacare plan that locks people into government mandated plans were theybpay for coverages they don't need and insurance companies are dropping out of providing.

It is a government pension plan, a lousy one but one nonetheless, and of you pay in you get the defined benefit. The more you pay in the more you get unless you are at the bottom where many don't pay in but still receive the benefit.

 

I don't have to cite anything. If Obamacare is repealed, pre-existing conditions being covered is repealed, as the ACA is the only document that requires insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions.

Social Security is a tax, not a pension plan. You pay the tax during your working career and receive a benefit, if you live long enough to collect it based on the amount you paid in while working.

 

I think the fun part will be when Trump supporter's SS disappears and they have to choose between food and prescription meds and lose their homes..... Quite an enjoyable thought to me

 

A strange fantasy involving misery of millions but hey whatever.. Just that fantasy as Trump has never suggested ending SS.

 

It was your claim that they plan to end all pre-existing coverage. Well cite them saying that is their plan.

And yes SS is a government pension plan, not a very good one but that is what it is, you pay in and you get the retirement benefit. So again isn't it only fair that if you lift the caps on earnings subject to the contribution your raise the benefit cap in return?

 

No, my claim is that the Republicans have said they are going to repeal Obamacare. If they repeal it, the pre-existing condition requirement goes with it, because that requirement exists no where else. Paul Ryan's plan for Medicare is to replace it with subsidies for the elderly to purchase insurance…. insurance that would have no requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, because Obamacare would have been repealed at that point. Americans like that pre-existing conditions are covered. In order to cover them, the mandate was necessary. It's interlinked. You should know what you're voting for when you vote people into office to repeal Obamacare. If they repeal it instead of fix it, covering pre-existing conditions goes away.

Social Security is a tax. It was decided by the Supreme Court. It decidedly IS NOT a pension plan.

 

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I think the fun part will be when Trump supporter's SS disappears and they have to choose between food and prescription meds and lose their homes..... Quite an enjoyable thought to me !!!

Good of you to admit the REPUBLICAN plan for Social Security will bring misery to millions.

Yes, SS will end when the Republicans take the money and hand it to their buddies on Wall Street.

How anyone can believe Trump when he reverses course more than most people breathe...must be "naivete"


And Those who voted for Trump will suffer for his actions, too....and that is delightful. Why wouldn't it be?

Aren't Repubublicans always yelling about BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS!

 

People should never be forced to give their money to the state with nothing in return but the promise they will someday receive some sort of payment from that state.
That people support this premise is madness.

 

Delusional world when your post is labeled a strange fantasy and you spin that as me agreeing with you.. Now i understand the mentality of Hilary supporters.

No evidence of ending SS outside of voices in someones head but its proclaimed as factual with cries of victory ending with what seems like random emojis...

Strange.

 

As far as I have heard, SS has never missed a payment to beneficiaries. Can you say the same for private pension plans or return of capital invested in fund management companies / banks?

 

So you claim the Republicans NEVER ever mentioned cutting Social Security....talk about a "strange fantasy"

...or are you saying the Republicans won't be very effective...


Anyway , I expressed my opinion and am sticking to it....I hope those who voted for Trump get what they asked for . Don't you?

 

In what world does cutting back on something "end" it? Did you bother looking over the Goverments own data that i linked to? Of course not... You are here to badger people not discuss the topic.

 

"Cutting back" may mean an elderly person has to decide between purchasing food or prescription drugs, it won't matter to them what YOU call it.

And YOU seem to be badgering me.....I just stated my opinion and you got a good old panty twist because you can't admit that not all Trump's goals are good....or that people who get what they asked for should get it

 

Nice projection since you claimed i wanted millions to live in misery you also claimed Trump wanted to End SS. When called for prove you deflected.

Here is it is Fox.... starting in 2034 SS is only funded 75% and it gets worse from there.. So something has to give.. People can discuss it rationally or they can use your tactics.

Here is another hint. My wife and i will be retiring when said fund is underfunded. The longer we put off the issue the harder people are going to be hit come 2034... You can read the data in the link it goes over this with easy to understand terms.

 

So? Does this mean it never will?
Does this means benefits will not be recalculated to a lower level? That retirement age will not be pushed back?
All you have is a promise from the state that it will give you something - no word on how much or when, and you have no recourse if you get nothing.
That people support this premise is madness.

 

see 2034 from their own data.

 

"Tactics"? What "tactics", I stated my opinion and you just can't handle a differing view, (so Trumpish...)

Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

"Cutting back" may mean an elderly person has to decide between purchasing food or prescription drugs, it won't matter to them what YOU call it.

And YOU seem to be badgering me.....I just stated my opinion and you got a good old panty twist because you can't admit that not all Trump's goals are good....or that people who get what they asked for should get it .

 

the goal is to save social security, which would you prefer, raise the caps or kill social security?