Universal Salvation, is everybody eventually led back to heaven/paradise/love?

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All you have described is a water jet. You have not described the color of a water Jet.
     
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    Well, let me see. that water jet would be composed of any color that is not from the red spectrum or the green spectrum.
     
  3. dairyair

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    Yep, he got caught with his proverbial pants down and is now playing his avoidance game. Sure sign he has lost but can't admit it. He's doing same in another thread and has no out so he does a WR.
     
  4. Incorporeal

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    Oh how wrong you are. Those comments of yours is truly a sign of projection on your part. You used the term "lost" ... well, Show PROOF OF CLAIM that I "lost" anything. You can't because you know that I have not lost anything. You resort to throwing out disparaging remarks and innuendos so much like a little child in the schoolyard. But oh well... some folks will never grow up and accept their own responsibilities.. People such as you and your un-gifted friend.

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    What about it Giftedone.. I met your challenge.. are you afraid to make an honest response?
     
  5. dairyair

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    Yep, you lost. And do what another poster does, avoid, change subject, go OT. You and the other poster do very similar word games.
    You will do everything to not own up to an error you made.

    The subject was color of sky. Gifted said blue and you disagreed. Then went on some tangent about shades.
     
  6. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That does not tell me what blue looks like. It just states that it is not red or blue. You can not describe a color with words. You have no way to describe to a blind person what blue looks like.
     
  7. Incorporeal

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    Just like you in the another thread.

    And he did not dispute that there are shades and he even asked me to describe the color 'blue' without using the word "blue" by using shades of blue.. I complied. You are dancing for him now.
     
  8. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah ... it is his modus operandi. He has figured out the formula that you do not have to be responsible for anything you say if you just deny reality "everything is subjective".
     
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    LOL. Now you're really dancing. Got your tapping shoes on. You lost in that one also.

    Dancing? Nope that would be you. Just like the other thread.

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    Very much like WR does.
     
  10. Incorporeal

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    Keep dreaming dude. Show PROOF that everything is not subjective.
    sub·jec·tive (s[​IMG]b-j[​IMG]k[​IMG]t[​IMG]v)adj.1. a. Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: a subjective decision.
    b. Particular to a given person; personal: subjective experience.

    Show one thing that can be described by the use of humanly designed words that will not first come from the mind of the person making the description or repeating an already designed description.
     
  11. Giftedone

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    That would require the use of logic. You do not believe in logic so there is no point in trying to prove anything to you.
     
  12. Incorporeal

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    So, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, you can't show proof. Hmmm. That is regrettable. Oh Well. Thanks for letting me know.
     
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    Why all this arguing about subjective vs. objective? Whatever is perceived thru the human sensory mechanisms is subjective. Light in the range of the blue wavelength color is objective up to the point where it is perceived by the human. Are we done now?
     
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    This just in: Actualized and un-actualized scenarios stored in the mastermind source are available for branching off, but the only kind of branching cited by the text that I rely on is in the nature of simulations for the purpose of what-if-instead examinations, not for repeating previous realities or creating new realities. For example, people who are in between incarnations can query the database, insert an alternative to the choice they made in real life, and run the simulation to see what would have been the likely effects of a choice that is better, worse, or neutral.

    Re-creating an identical scenario repeatedly would be like banging ones head against the wall, useless unless necessary to fill time gaps. Then again, random chance does not favor identical outcomes. However, the mastermind can get and choose from calculated prospects without having to re-run old news from the beginning.

    Ezekiel was perhaps running amuck in the database. Who knows whether he was gathering meaningful intel or just getting sidetracked into wild stuff. We know that he was spouting some Assyrian cosmological symbology and flamboyant zodiac representations, but then he rambled on and on. Someone might be able to sort out his material and make more sense of it by studying the whole gamut.
     
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    My suspicion is that each time that a moment of the past is replicated a significantly greater outpouring of the Holy Spirit occurs…….. which is the number one reason why perhaps our branch of time is so much better than the one seen in the Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow progressions into the future from 1980 to '83.

    I had a little fun with the Dr. Chet Snow research with this discussion…..


    http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...2000-election-but-negates-global-dimming.html

    In alternate time line Mr. Gore wins the 2000 election but negates Global Dimming....
    I personally loved the film "An Inconvenient Truth." I have watched it four or five times at least. It played a huge role in my deciding to join a political party that takes climate change very seriously.

    Largely due to his film I actually put in two submissions for The Virgin Earth Challenge.

    I do have one criticism for his film though..... the diplomacy quotient was extremely low and America is more divided than ever partly because of the flavor of his film.


    ……..Could a win by Mr. Al Gore in 2000 have led to America being 15% submerged under the oceans by January 1, 2013?

    Time does look like a menorah....... or tree with branches and roots... … and is not confined to being a straight line...…

    In theory....... Mr. Gore's policy could have ended up greatly decreasing the Global Dimming Effect..... at the same time that it might do little to reduce a general Global Warming trend.... which could lead to rapid warming.....and of course increased cracking and sliding on the land based Greenland Ice Pack.... the world's glaciers and the outer regions of Antarctica......

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper and President Bush may have deliberately allowed somewhat bad policy to continue...… because they probably had been told that the factors that increase Global Dimming..... do tend to mask Global Warming.... .which could mean within five decades we may know that that they may have had a basically good idea..... in comparison to worst possible alternative.....??????!!!

    http://www.baproducts.com/chetmap.htm

    Dr Chet Snow's Earth Change Map

     
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    Interestingly enough……. our tendencies to argue…………… and get emotional over such points…….. seems to be one of the characteristics that can keep a soul - spirit stuck in "the void" for far longer than needs to be the case?!

    http://www.near-death.com/ritchie.html#a05b
     
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    Relying on what seems to work in the physical realm, they made the mistake of expecting it to work as well in the nonphysical realm. Bad habits can be hard to break. Getting stuck is the price to be paid for not waking up to the differences between realities.

    The same sort of noncorporeal hellish mass was observed by Robert Monroe's character AA. Although free to leave it, the obsessors wouldn't. Free will is linked to intent.

    Their persistent vain attempt to escape accountability for their darkness is a sign of another shortcoming: lack of responsibility. A soul needs to correct itself, learn from its mistakes, and vow to do better in order to progress.

    While progress is important for the individual's sake, it is also vital for the whole. Improvement of individual quality of consciousness also lowers the entropy of the entire system.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes…… and the total restoration of the earth………. will have some repercussions in economics that may surprise many of us who have came to view the Christian scriptures as extremely conservative in regards to money and government.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=411934&page=28&p=1065099113#post1065099113
    Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives
     
  19. DennisTate

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    Brilliantly stated!

    When we get to the place where we can feel the freedom to use our mistakes to encourage and inspire others who are struggling with the same problems……. then our worst mistakes can be transformed from being a liability into an asset.

    King David's adultery has encouraged many people to think……… well……. if there is hope for King DAvid after all his mistakes…… then there is hope for me as well.
     
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    The longer I live......
    the more reading I do.....
    the more convinced I am that eventual universal salvation.....

    was always the ultimate plan in the mind of the most fundamental energy intelligence

    who formed the heavens and the earth as a stage for us.......
    to use our freedom of choice to learn and learn and learn.....
     
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    But.... that could eventually turn out to mean that the evil that we did while human......
    is something that we repeat and repeat and repeat to others... .so that we can help them to avoid the mistakes that we made.....
     
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    No.

    Jesus is the only way, He is the truth, the life and the way.

    We are here to be transform to the likeness of Jesus Christ. We are here to learn love, to love, in any given circumstances.
    God is Love and Love is enthroned. Love means to give. Think of others first.

    Jesus is the perfect example of what is Love. He gave His life to us without any reserve. He blessed those who hurt him, he forgives those who beat him. He died for all of us.

    To enter the Kingdom of God, learn the love of Jesus Christ.

    I am still learning.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True...... and I have to admit that
    hell is not a joke..... it is a very serious
    and scary state of mind.........
    near death experiencer Don Brubaker did a
    great job of explaining it.

    http://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/don-brubaker.html
    Don Brubaker's Near-Death Experience


     
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    Oh boy, oh boy. I can hardly wait to watch. :roll:
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My theory.... is that all of us will be so open.... so honest.... so humble.....
    when we finally see how all the invisible dimensions of space and time fit together......

    that we will torment ourselves by admitting our flaws and errors to anybody who we
    believe will benefit from our story.........

    In a visionary dream of heaven Rick Joyner was shown many people from the past who
    had grown to the place where they freely admitted to their worst sins while alive.........
    in order to mentor Pastor Rick........ and all who would read what he wrote......



    http://64.71.77.248/fq-protestant/tfq-en.html
     

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