Universal Salvation, is everybody eventually led back to heaven/paradise/love?

If we dismiss the idea of God failing to gain much wisdom over eons of time, then we might conclude that the story is sufficient for conveying a meaning to naive people who find its picture of authority acceptable, in contrast to those whose sensibility is offended.

Thus the author of the story was either indifferent to or unaware of the defects. If the reason was unawareness, such incompetence can be excused but noted. If the reason was indifference, then malicious intent is implied, i.e. towards deception and control.

 

each person has their own path they must take, we will all eventually get there, it will just take some longer then others

 

Not knowing where "there" is, makes your statement rather presumptuous.

 

Well…………. one important part about where there is…….. is a clear explanation of where "there" is not!


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research14.html

 

If God knows everything then how can he be wise?

 

Well, that is undoubtedly an expression of another OPINION.

 

trust me, even you will get there someday... all of us will

 

Well, please do tell me where we are headed.

 

Early on leaders realized the power of religion to control the raging masses. As a King or Pharaoh back in the day "controlling the masses" was an important topic, one given much thought .. even regarded as "secret knowledge". In later times Machiavelli was tortured for speaking about these secrets too candidly in his political discourses.

There was good reason to think long and hard about how to control the masses. If they rebelled they not only killed the king but often most of his extended family as well.

Egyptians had the concept of maat - kind of like karma. Your deeds were weighed on the scales of justice at the end of days and if found too light you were fed to a monster but, that was it, no hell or eternal torment for sins while on earth.

Zoroastrianism - Persian monotheism was the first where we see some serious suffering in the afterlife. Such ideas successfully united the Persians who became a world empire.

Constantine also used the idea of monotheism (probably copying the Persian model) to unite a divided Roman empire under Christianity. After Constantine the "fear factor was really ramped up"

The Christian model took the world by storm .. 300 so years later Christianity was spreading like a plague destroying everything in its path. Tremendously successful but also tremendously violent, intolerant and nasty. Anyone who questioned the Church was and enemy of God and suffered severe punishment. The platonic schools of Philosophy were closed (many over 500 years old) .. the Church did not want people thinking for themselves.

Muhammad came along about 300 years after Constantine and noticed the success of Christianity and used a similar model.

Muhammad ramped up the "fear factor" even more. The Qu'ran has fear on every second page. Question Allah and burn forever, do this and be thrown into the lake of fire .. on an on.

When you take a young child and tell that child, "if you do not believe this, or if you question this book" you will be tortured in the afterlife for ever and ever and ever, it has a powerful psychological impact. The subconscious mind is affected and it becomes very difficult for the conscious mind to question certain ideas.

This is a form of mind control. When combined with other factors such as creating a black vs white, God vs Devil, Good vs Evil paradigm, the mind control becomes even more effective. Cult doctrine is good, anything that questions it is evil.

Then you get some leader claiming to speak for God and you have the inquisition or modern day Islam or the Moonies.

 

Your comments make a bunch of assumptions. If God exists, that existence may come in many forms either physical or otherwise.

There is nothing odd about the assumption that God exists (no need to clarify the state of that existence). If one assumes God does exist, in whatever form, and that he did the stuff recorded in Genesis (adam and eve story in this case) then we can make further assumptions.

If God does not exist or had nothing to do with Genesis then we can look to other reasons for the writing of the story.

Not rocket science Incorp.

 

I suppose so......… maybe being composed of fundamental energy consider it essential that all of us have the freedom to experience the feeling of "lostness" at least for a period of time.....so that we grow in empathy??!!

 

Well, who is making assumptions about the existence of God or the stuff recorded in Genesis?

 

I was speaking of hypotheticals ... of course they were assumptions and stated as such.

You seem to have misunderstood the context of the conversation.

 

As usual, I am seeking clarity of the loosely formed claims that are being expressed on this forum. Making hypotheticals and making assumptions are not dealing with the tangible world, but are fairy tale examples.

 

Right. His movement made no real headway while it remained benign.

You just substantiated my notion that a form of brainwashing is involved. Another source said: Anyone dominated by religious thought is under the influence of a reason-perverting power.

No wonder Sunday School didn't seem very impressive. Thanks for the expanded discourse.

 

Unless of course.......... intelligence and technological capability developed first in more fundamental forms of energy......… and we humans were invented....... and put into a hologram........ much as we humans may soon do with androids........ to see if these androids will be altruistic?

I personally am 99% convinced that a high percentage of scientists are biased toward carbon based life forms...… partly because we do not wish to consider the implications of fundamental energy based life forms...…

CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

 

Now that was a unique response.. One in which I was unprepared to face this early in the day.

 

You are making no sense and you do not understand how logic works.

 

I am not the one that is bound by the rules of logic, It is those who volunteer to become slaves to that system of thinking that are bound by its rules. If you are perceiving what I say as not making sense, then perhaps you mightt want to remove yourself from that cage called logic when you are reading my postings. That might help you a little bit.

 

I am not sure what system you are a slave to but it is senseless and irrational... and of course illogical.

 

Well thank you for that acknowledgement. Then you should not have any problem then when I don't attempt to rationalize my behavior like so many others on this forum do. BTW: What is "senseless"?

 

I have a huge problem with irrational behavior. Such is the root of much evil.

 

Oh well... I have a huge problem with people who attempt to push their science down the throats of people. I also have a problem with people who like to make a bunch of presumptions during the course of a day.

 

The church and the inquisitors did not like science either because it conflicted with Church Doctrine. That you need to deny reality to maintain your beliefs should tell you something about your beliefs.

 

Who is denying reality? I am living in reality. Oh I get it... you are placing some specialized meaning on the term 'reality' so as to entrap me when I answer in a manner that will spring the trap. got it.