Universal Salvation, is everybody eventually led back to heaven/paradise/love?

Yours would be the disingenuous claim. You still have not shown where I said the the sky is not blue. Where did I make such a claim Giftedone?

 

Good point….. Yes…. I have also wondered if there is a segment of the population of created intelligent life who would insist on remaining in an attitude of superiority and accusation at everybody who does not agree with them……. practically for eternity?????!!!!


http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a09

 

Yes I did. You say it yourself when you claim that everything is subjective. The sky is part of "everything" last time I checked.

 

The lengths some will go to (denying all objective reality in this case) to maintain their beliefs is stunning.

 

Saying that something is subjective is not the equivalent of saying something is not. Perhaps you should study up on subjectivity.

 

Perhaps you should study up on writing a sentence that makes sense ?

 

Perhaps you should recognize that each writer potentially has a different style of writing than the next or other writer, and take into consideration such differences.

 

Please make sense of the sentence I am referring to. This is not about writing style. It is about written nonsense.

What does the above mean ? and how does this relate to the topic under discussion.

 

If, in your perspective, it appears to be nonsense, then perhaps it is due to you possibly having a different perspective than what I have. Please explain what it is within that writing that in your opinion is 'nonsense'.

The "not" refers to the "blue" that you alleged that I said was "not blue". Because people, through their individual perspective, could render thousands of different descriptions of 'blue' therefore, the mere description of "blue' can be construed as not being adequately definitive in the description. Was that sky "royal blue", "sky blue", "powder blue", "Egyptian blue", to name only a few?

 

There is only one burning desire.

Let me stand next to your fire.

 

So why weren't humans just KEPT in heaven....why the silly games? Somebody's big ego at stake? Some weak entities desperate pathetic need for adoration?
Some sadistic creature loves watching humans suffer??

 

What games are you talking about? Perhaps your ego might be at stake. Perhaps your need for adoration? Who is suffering, and how do you define 'suffering'?

 

For starters humans are not merely humans we are spiritual beings temporarily playing out the role of being merely human......and keeping us in a place against our will..... goes against the kind of intelligence that evolved in fundamental energy......… as well as in democratic governments.

During one of his two near death experiences Dannion Brinkley was shown that only the most courageous and philosophically advanced spiritual being/ angel will volunteer to take the body of a child destined to be physically or mentally handicapped because this is such a difficult role to play.

 

Why would my ego be at stake? That doesn't make sense but since you have no intelligent answer to my questions that must be your very Christian weak attempt at an insult.


And , again, if you can't see suffering in this world you simply choose not to....not everyone has your cushy soft easy life...

 

some knuckleheaded deep-in-sin moron says something and everyone's supposed 2 believe it?

what a joke

Jesus (remember HIM?) said that FEW find the narrow way to Heaven .. FEW

He didn' t say HOW few... but a lot of the saints say it is VERY VERY few... St Bernard, for one..

Jesus said that whatever you do to the least of His brethren you do to him... so people are guilty of HATING Jesus... even many who claim to "love" him... They lie to him, they cheat on him, they murder him by murdering their innocent children (abortion). They choose golf and football over going to visit HIM at Church... they spit on his Original Church, the Roman Catholic Church... (something even so called Cahtolics do... by voting for baby killers...)

right... After murdering God, people will be allowed to be with Him forever... right

start listening to God, everyone, not some idiot on the I-net who has nothing better to do than spout off his idiotic, half-baked (at best) opinions as facts....

believe man or believe Christ, who is God... Those are the choices



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It might be at stake because of the possibility of losing an argument pertaining to the subject of God. No! But your comment is verging on the very same thing you accuse me of... an insult.

Who said that I can't see 'suffering' in this world? That is a false characterization based on my cynical remark/question. Not everyone is a Christian who understands his/her station in life. Just call my "cushy soft easy life" a blessing from God. He is the one who made all the arrangements.

 

I'm losing an argument because no one could intelligently answer my questions? LOL!

YOU said you don't see suffering in this world, you said it was just my imagination.....

You can't read the posters I quote and can't even read your own posts so

how could anyone lose an argument to you ??LOL!

 

Intelligence or a shortness of intelligence is not the only reason that can cause the loss of an argument.

Instead of just making the assertion, why don't you try using the quote function. That quote function is so much easier to work with in either proving that a person said something or proving that a person did not say something.

Now you are presuming to KNOW what it is that I can and cannot do? Wow!

Leaving the battlefield! Short of that, the argument is on-going and I would still be waiting for PROOF, evidence or argument that will compel my mind to accept what has been presented as true.

 

So now let us rewrite your sentence using your new explanation and see if that sentence makes sense.

Wrong. Saying that the color of the sky is "subjective" is the equivalent of saying the sky is not blue. If the color of the Sky is "subjective" it could be orange or yellow.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

 

Rewriting what I said and putting what I said into your own words is a deceptive practice on your part. What I said is what I said. No 'ifs', 'ands' or 'buts' about it. You seemingly are having extreme difficulty in comprehending the meaning of 'subjective'. Here, let me help you out:
"sub·jec·tive (sb-jktv)adj.1. a. Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: a subjective decision.

b. Particular to a given person; personal: subjective experience.


2. Moodily introspective.
3. Existing only in the mind; illusory.

4. Psychology Existing only within the experiencer's mind."

I certainly hope that the definitions supplied above do not further confuse you on this matter. You did not conduct the little test that I submitted relating to giving a description of a particular car which was shown in a photo. That little act of avoidance on your part, indicates to me that you are not really interested in this discussion, but rather that you might be desiring to simply continue on and not show proof of your claim. As for your argument relating to "orange" or "yellow", that would be unlikely since the color "blue" was already mentioned and there being hundreds of ways to describe that color blue that is seen in the sky. Now admittedly if a person is 'color blind', that person might see 'orange' or 'yellow', but the discussion has set no parameters on the viewer and is therefore assumed that the person has normal vision...(no defects in his/her vision).

 

Is the Creator capable of replicating all of the earth as well as all of us exactly as we were in 1988 or '89 and spinning off a new branch of time that fulfills Ezekiel chapter 37?

If there were evidence that this has occurred..... what would be some of the implications of multiple Ezekiel 37 events?

At this time....99% of Christian paid officials would find the following research threatening....... but...… the times they are a changing...…

http://www.baproducts.com/chetmap.htm

AMERICA IN THE NEW MILLENNIUM
After the major Earth Changes 1998-2012 AD
as foreseen in Mass Dreams of the Future
by Dr. Chet B. Snow

Although most Christian officials will not yet admit that this research by Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow is powerful evidence that Ezekiel chapter 37 does not happen merely once...but instead many many many times............. I suspect that that time is coming.

Have you ever read Ezekiel 37?


http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eze&c=37&t=KJV


Eze 37:1

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The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry..........................


Eze 37:6


And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

 

DT: Are you suggesting that dreams should be considered as reliable evidence? That would invite many unreal things into the vault of evidence that would not normally be allowed within that vault.

 

I hope so!...Im looking forward to being able to fly!

 

Geee.. I do believe that you and I might have had similar dreams.. Do you think those dreams will become manifest?

 

I was going on what you said. Don't blame me for stating what I thought you meant. Write a sentence that makes sense and people will not have to guess at what you meant.

You wrote a sentence that made no sense. I asked you to clarify and it was from your clarification that I corrected your sentence.

If you do not like my clarification then rewrite your sentence so that it does make sense.

So, for the third or fourth time now. What are you trying to say here ??