Difference between Trump and Obama

I agree.

 

i question Israels actions more. I more or less agree abortion should be legal as long as we dont delude ourselves saying "its not a person". I think about climate change more and actually hope the data will be more conclusive within the next decade. I realized liberals and conservatives pull the same crap after their party loses. I did have a religous shaking- i lost hope for reasoned debate and found myself and everyone around me here insulting eachother like were in a religous war. The crap i have seen said on this website makes me sad, honestly. The demeaning condescending way liberals speak about trump supporters and the way the trump supporters seem to ignore the fact that trump is a ****** and how they treated obama, hillary supporters...its just sad. This countrys so polarized. I joined because i love america and was hoping to find other people who could reason respectfully but instead its like reading the youtube comments. Ya, its funny and i enjoy talking ****, but every profile is a person representing a view shared by many people, and we mock them too often.

 

In which case the onus is entirely on you to prove why it is wrong but mere gainsaying does not refute the facts that I provided.

 

So you want a corrupt wannabe tyrant that violates the Law of the Land to be your "god-emperor"?

 

In other words your cannot provide squat to substantiate your utterly bogus allegation.

Got it!

 

Automatic kneejerk deflection duly noted and ignored!

 

I know that Trump is a con man and the ghost writer for the art of the deal said that Trump is not what he pretends to be either.

 

You gotta admit though, sending an underling out in what amounted to trying to save face WAS pretty lame.

 

But you can't produce anything to support that bogus allegation either, can you?

 

The original plan was drafted by the Heritage Foundation as a response to "HilaryCare" and it INCLUDED the tax mandate. Romney used it in MA and it was passed as the ACA because the Dems could not get Single Payer through Congress.

Yes, everyone who is aware of the real world facts knows that it was a Republican plan.

 

A GOP plan at the state level...

Translating anything from that level up to the federal Level is a study in fail.

 

No one needs to be "sent" anywhere to access the internet. It is just as easy to log onto PF from Moscow as it is from anywhere in the USA. We already have posters here from Australia, the UK and the EU nations and they are not living in America.

 

Ironic given that Trump just tacitly admitted to criminal wrongdoing with his Trump University scam.

 

Onus is on you to provide credible substantiation for your bogus allegation.

 

Look up hillarys response. Im too tired to try and convince you that obamacare is a democratic policy supported by democrats...this is ridiculous.

 

It was always going to fail because it never addressed the fundamental problem of the greedy HMO's driving up costs.

Only Single Payer eliminates that problem by removing them from the process.

 

Not just HMO's.... There is a vast amount of greed to be realized, & owned regarding healthcare.

Without addressing honestly this fact, single payer will be even more devastating a proposition than most currently think.

 

This was the original allegation that still has not been substantiated;

 

Single Payer contains costs everywhere else in the civilized world so why wouldn't it work here?

Granted Big Pharma is greedy but under Single Payer those costs are contained because Single Payer entities negotiate bulk pricing.

There is no evidence whatsoever that "single payer will be even more devastating a proposition" but you are more than welcome to provide whatever you have.

 

Containing costs, through taxation, is hardly containing costs.... ESPECIALLY here.

Greed, & blind capitalism are my evidence.

EDIT, I'll add patisanism to that list.

 

ya...are you playing semantics or asserting that obamacare is not supported by the democrats???

 

In which case explain how Medicare is not a "devastating proposition"?

 

No!

I am just asking that a statement that was made be substantiated with links to quotes by those who are alleged to have made them in that specific time frame.

Since neither you nor Rooster can provide anything that means that it was an utterly bogus allegation unless you can prove otherwise.

Not my problem if you can't!

 

Medicare isn't the ACA.

I agree a simpe expansion of Medicare, along with addressing torts, & base costs of healthcare would be a much more prudent way to proceed forward.


Requiring, for one exampe, myself, as a 46 year old man, to carry reproductive coverage, is part of the ACA's problem.

There's a vast list of coverage requirements placed on ME now,that I find repugnant, let alone farcical.

 

Playing semantics. Muddies up the issue, doesnt it? Easier to argue about i suppose. Your missing the forest for the trees.