White Ethnomasochism

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  1. Pycckia

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    And yet I do attribute China's success to a lack of diversity. It is not diverse. Ninety percent of China is Han Chinese. There are other ethnic minorities, but they are negligible in terms of cultural impact, and are openly discriminated against.

    You make much of the fact that there are many Chinese dialects. That is so and they are more or less mutually unintelligible. But written Chinese is universal. All Chinese, regardless of dialect, have read the same books, like The Dream of Red Mansions, and share a deep cultural affinity for one another.

    The Cultural Revolution did not rip out diversity, it attempted to rip out old culture. It was somewhat successful in this attempt, but modern Chinese have striven mightily to recover their culture and the Westerner is struck by how Confucian the mentality remains.

    Surely the Chinese has been able to leap-frog the West by adapting newer technologies and skipping the intermediate stages, the cell phone network comes to mind (they never built out land lines) but cultural and racial characteristics are of primary importance. The Chinese have a communal spirit which is lacking in the individualistic West. This spirit is maintained by and maintains uniculturalism.

    India has a similarly ANCIENT tradition and sophistication. It had the advantage of greater contact with the West, and yet was not able to achieve the same leap-frogging trick. The most glaring problem in India is, in fact, its diversity. The diversity between Muslims and Hindus is the source of endless friction as each group strives to gain the upper hand.

    And of course the Chinese are among the most racist people on Earth, second only, perhaps, to the Japanese. But you can verify that with your own research.
     
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    sorry, but China's continuing development has been going on for thousands of years. You wish to attribute any recent success to their lack of diversity, because your view of diversity seems completely centered on physical characteristics, completely ignoring the more influential metrics of economic and cultural success.

    Yes, Asian cultures have a much greater awareness of their own generation's ephemeral nature and are far more willing to take the long view including sticking to generations long plans and objectives.

    Not at all like "MAGA's" "retreat, dig in and gimme it now" underpinnings.

    I do agree that racism is endemic in chinese culture.
     
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    Look around I'm sure you can find some.



    You still don't get it. You use an artificial construct called race, when you really mean appearance. There is only ONE race - The HUMAN RACE.




    No, its a fact that imperialism and the wealth it concentrated was the fuel for all of man's empires throughout history.


    That is absolutely correct, and I made no claim to know otherwise. I merely stated that Japan's economic rise after they were completely devastated and bankrupt by WW2, was architected, aided and abetted by America and her allies.




    I know its true, I saw it in a video!!!!!! No wonder trumpettes don't have any problem with their president getting his "news" from Fox and friends every day.




    No, not a strawman. I noted you had a valid source for the 2/3's figure you quoted.
    I will grant you that the crusades is not a good example to use.



    Sense not this is making statement.


    Sorry, but your biased attribution of American success to "color/ethnicity" doesn't get you anywhere near global dominance. I believe the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS had way way way more to do with it and those documents specifically exclude discrimination against any and ALL citizens, establish the rule of law and the peaceful transfer of power and all those nasty things called rights and freedoms. Did white folk formulate these principles of governance? Yep and we sing the founders hosannahs.







    All sneering aside, apparently all this "stuff" isn't worth anything to anyone except starbucks in your world.


    http://www.americananthro.org/


    Yes, I agree that Western culture is the most dominant and by far the wealthiest.



    Yes, that is exactly what I meant. If not for the economic and social fuel of Imperialism/Colonialism western civilization would not be in its predominant position today. You do understand economics and the role that "capital" plays in expansion, don't you?

    That is an irrefutable historical fact.
     
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    No, I don't think I am. I am focusing specifically on culture, hence my praise of uniculturalism, not ethnic homogeneity, although they have that too. Whatever we attribute their success to, it is not multiculturalism which is non-existent. It is perfectly fair to point out the success of China as an example of a successful unicultural society.

    It is perfectly fair to criticize Mr. Trump's ideas, but that has nothing to do with the argument that uniculturalism is a successful strategy.
     
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    Yet, western civilization which you acknowledge as the most predominant in history is far from unicultural. Indeed its success was dependent on domination of all kinds of other cultures from which all types of cultural practices were absorbed by "westerners". Genetic markers demonstrate that "national" populations are far more diverse than their citizenship or color would have one believe.
     
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    I don't know about that. Western Civilization has two roots: Greek philosophy and Christianity. This civilization was spread by the Romans. Various ethnic groups have been absorbed into this framework. Plato is studied from Moscow to Barcelona. We are talking about uniculturalism and not ethnic homogeneity, after all. I don't know of any other major influences other than Greek, Christian and Roman. Perhaps you can suggest some?

    Success means domination of other cultures. Unsuccessful cultures get dominated. Don't confuse the cause with the effect.
     
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    In your posts? Not really.

    And only whites are pressured into believing this silly concept, as the video explains. Whether or not race is a social construct isn't important. Language is a social construct as well, and nobody ever claims it does not exist or that all languages are the same. Certain races are more prone to disease than others, due to physiological and genetic differences between the races. They can tell the race of a person based on DNA and skeletal remains. Plus, progressives wouldn't be calling for more "racial diversity" if everyone was already the same.

    OK, so why do you only complain about it in relation to the West? If all of man's empires throughout history were built on imperialism then it is simply a human condition, not evil white men stealing wealth from poor non-whites, which is how you like to frame the issue.

    No it wasn't. We helped Japan get their economy and society back on track, but their economy did not grow significantly until several decades later.

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    The Japanese are an intelligent, industrious people and they revolutionized the electronics and automobile industries, among others. It's ridiculous to assume their success was simply due to the US helping them for a few years after the war.

    I'll take sourced, factual information over the unsubstantiated say-so of "Jonsa of the internet" any day.

    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were largely based on Western European philosophy and was put into effect by European descendants in the US. The principles in Constitution have been carried forward by a predominantly white population since the country began. It remains to be seen whether or not those same principles and governing practices will continue to be carried forward by non-white, non-Western people who are scheduled to become the majority. The fact that none of their own home countries have ever had these principles makes me doubt that this is going to happen. We know the kinds of countries their people and culture produce. You can find examples from Mexico all the way to the bottom of South America. The question becomes, do we really want the US to be more like that?

    It's worth something to tenured Marxist professors too. They wouldn't be employable but for a University hiring them to regurgitate the information they ingested during their 6-8 years of college.

    I said it was the "best", and you did not. So no, you do not agree with me.

    You have no way of knowing this, just like you have no way of knowing that Japan wouldn't have been economically successful if not for US intervention after the war. Regardless of whether or not Western countries practiced imperlialism/colonialism (like every other people and culture has done), Western areas still had an intelligent, inventive, entrepreneurial people who were capable of great things.
     
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    Certain genotypes can be identified and some combinations are prone to defects like hereditary disease, others with a combination that produces less melanin. If you examine the cosmetic industry you will quickly find that "white people" have all kinds of skin tones and types.

    If by progressives you mean people with enough intelligence and moral fiber to take things like equal rights and freedoms under the law to be applicable to ALL human beings then yes. If you don't want to be a "race traitor", don't have sex with a non-white woman. Don't live in a non-white neighborhood so the schools will be predominantely white. Don't watch BTV. That's what freedom and "american" culture is all about, ain't it?




    Oh get a grip. Either you've lost the plot or you are deliberately trying to obfuscate. OF COURSE, the imperialism of white European cultures is exactly like the imperialism of ancient China or Egypt or India. So friggin' what. It doesn't change the story of what our ancestors did. OTOH, in the 21st century you can't really get away with that kind of plundering anymore.




    Yes, imagine the growth having a direct correlation to just about the time the first post war generation was maturing into power. The 7 year long US occupation mandated a change to parliamentary democracy which had a monumental impact on the entire political apparatus of the nation not to mention the huge impact that american cultural exposure had on japanese society. Economic, Political and Cultural transformation of a closed society by force. But sure go ahead and believe its because the japanese are monoracial.




    The non-white not western people becoming the majority? Excuse me but would "those" people include say, a third generation pakistani american?

    I wonder if you can think of any other reason whatsoever that anyone would want to come to a country like america, other than to turn it into the place they were escaping from in the first place. A real poser.




    yes close all colleges, purge all commie and progressive professors, teach our kids proper. Man you sure do have a weird perspective or perhaps its just an unusual debating style.




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    Well, since best is, at best, a subjective assessment and can be applied to virtually any criteria the speaker wishes to use, I agree that western civilization is the best of all in any number of criteria and somewhat less than best in others. I believe that is the way the world works regardless of your racialist views.



    Sure they did. Nobody is questioning any of assets euroculture brought to the table. But there are plenty of ways of knowing that. It seems you are not aware of the role that capital plays in developing economies and societies. There were no other sources of such massive capital injections into Europe period. this is friggin basic stuff man.
     
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    Unrestrained Capitalism is a bad thing. Especially when one ethnic group is selfishly hording the wealth in their own community. The economy works best when as much money as possible is being spent. And the way that happens is by having money spread out as evenly as reasonably possible throughout the nation. Even the founders of Capitalism knew this.
    Of course it worked well for a bankrupt kingdom. It's because the Jews, with their usury and hording of wealth, were usually the cause of the kingdom going bankrupt.
    And yet, Israel is a proud and openly "Jewish state," while the Finns are being told by their government and media that they must be ready to assimilate to the culture of the "new Finns" currently immigrating to their Nordic nation. Scandinavia, the German Sprachraum, the UK, France, and the Low Countries are all welcoming thousands of immigrants every year, and even enacting laws to keep people from criticizing this suicidal process. Meanwhile, Israel won't even end their crime against humanity that is the blockade of Gaza.
    Yes, every ethnicity has a level of ethnocentrism. But it's only among white European ethnicities that this ethnocentrism is so rare, that its lack has led to mass immigration in their homelands.
    So, yet again, I ask this question. "Why?" Why are Whites the ONLY people on the face of Gaia's green Earth that are fine with their population and their culture dying out? Yes, you can point to five French nationalists and say "You see! There is nationalism in France too!" But let's be real, nationalism is France hasn't been common enough to protect France from mass immigration and globalization. Yet nationalism has been common enough to protect every non-Western nation.
    First of all, Jews who are loyal to countries other than Israel are the exception, not the rule.
    Secondly, Jews like America because they control its media, banks, and foreign policy. Of course Jews will fight for America. This country is what is keeping Israel alive, as well as the white race brainwashed.
    Thirdly, Jewish neighborhoods, gated or otherwise, where non-Jews aren't sold houses, are extremely common in America. Irish and Italian neighborhoods were only like this when the Irish and the Italians were new immigrants. Over the years, they have assimilated to American society, while Jews still choose to live in their own neighborhoods. So yeah, there are plenty of Jews who prefer to live in America. But those same Jews live in Jewish communities where their population and culture is protected, and will fight to keep those communities Jewish, while white ethnic groups can't do the same thing, because they have white guilt, and will be called "racist" by the Jewish media.



    You can make that argument for America and maybe even Canada. But what about Europe?


    And why don't non-white ethnicities see it this way?
     
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    I don't see many Republicans fighting against affirmative action either. And there has to be a reason that the Western world has wholly embraced anti-nationalist policies, even if these policies were only being spouted by one party.
     
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    Let's just say it's not truly guilt. It's actually pathetic virtue signaling done to give "tolerant" white people something to brag about.
    This mindset is still killing white nations, populations, and culture throughout the Western world. So why exactly would white people create this? Doesn't it make more sense that it would have been created by the Jews, since it benefits them?
     
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    The "white ethnomasochism" which you refer to is simply the recognition of the reality of white privilege and the consequent resolve to not continue profiting by it. It is logical and ethical behavior for any person affected by it, not some sort of mental perversion
     
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    Bullcrap. The money wasn't being "hoarded" by one ethnic group, it was being CIRCULATED! You do know how banking works, don't you?

    Why not blame the bankers and christ killers when profligate monarchs with no financial sense squandered their nations cash? Its not like most of that money went to national projects other than the self aggrandisement of the rulers and the waging of ruinous wars.

    It seems your view of the history of jews in europe comes from passion plays and the then prevailing propaganda.


    Er, yes Israel is the jewish state. Exactly like Saudi Arabia is one of many Muslim states, and according to republicans America is a christian nation under god.
    I don't know of anyone who is enacting laws to keep people from criticizing immigration.

    NEWS FLASH: Western nations have been accepting thousands of immigrants and refugees every year for generations.

    Gaza - nice non sequitur.

    So you think ethnocentrism is rare in white european ethnicities? How you can possibly arrive at that conclusion given the sweep of history can only be attributed to an entrenched bias.


    That is a wholly unsubstantiated lie that has been perpetrated since the days of Rome when jews (amongst many others) were first accused of dual loyalties.

    Why look at all the jews in the wehrmacht in ww1 and thereafter until you know who crawled out from under his rock. Lots of iron crosses there.




    Not quite sure what kind of vision you have, but pointing out jews are successful capitalists doesn't help your jew hating cause. Are you suggesting a re-distribution of wealth? How awesomely socialist of you.


    Extremely common? Exactly what data have you got to make such a statement? Wait, what am I saying, its not information, its a "feeling".


    Exactly the same process in Europe except all the ethnicities happened to be white. That you only see "color" as the definition of ethnicity in whites, while ignoring that in the comparisons and parallels you use in your attempt at justification is intellectually superficial.


    Buy a globe and ponder the enormous barriers to outside economic and social influences that geography has played in the development of civilizations. Then consider that "timing is everything" and consider the timing of european technological advancement and the wealth it enabled them to plunder which placed them in the cat bird seat. I bet colonialism created some pretty deep seated generational biases against alien invaders.
     
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    Personally, I don't believe in white privilege, but let's say, hypothetically, that white privilege is a thing. Why don't Blacks in Africa recognize their black privilege?
    Did you watch the video I posted in the first post of this thread? Why are the Japanese and Chinese not doing something in their countries about their privilege?
    Once again, we're faced with the question of why white ethnicities are the exception.
     
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    It was being circulated within the Jewish community. That's a form of hoarding in that it was being kept from the general public.

    Yes, there were plenty of times when an economy crashed and it was the fault of greedy elites like King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette. But that doesn't negate the fact that Jews have also caused poverty through their use of communal hoarding and usury. And in the case of the latter, it was an entire ethnic community, as opposed to the former, where it was just a few individuals who had no business running a country. Comparing the two is confusing individuals with communities. Also, keep in mind that the Jews were kicked of various nations over one hundred times. This hasn't happened to any other minority.

    If that was the case, don't you think I'd be blaming them for ridiculous things like killing Jesus and drinking the blood of Christian babies?
    Jews practicing usury with non-Jews, having a disproportionately high amount of control in banking and the media, and keeping the wealth within their communities is not propaganda from some Middle Ages play. It's well-documented fact.
    The Jews are not a religious group, they are an ethnic group. Atheist Jews like Sigmund Freud and Karl Marx are recognized as being Jews by the Jewish community. Whereas if a Korean or a Colombian believed in Judaism, they still would not be recognized as Jews by the Jewish community. You can convert to Judaism, but even then, you'd be seen as a "supporter of the tribe," not a Jew.
    In Israel, most rabbis will marry a practicing Jew and a non-practicing Jew, because he'll recognize them both as Jews. However, he won't marry a Jew and a non-Jew.

    In Europe, they have laws against "hate speech." Recently, these laws have been used against people daring to point our that the "refugees" are the ones responsible for the drastic rise in rape in countries like Germany and Sweden.
    I wonder how many non-Western nations have "hate speech" laws aimed at protecting minorities, and then use those laws to silence criticism.

    You're right. And my question is why is it that ONLY Western nations are willing to accept so many immigrants that it changes the national population and culture.
    It's also worth mentioning that with the refugee crisis, the amount of immigrants in Europe has grown.

    Actually, Gaza is a good example of how Israelis can be extremist in their desire to remain a Jewish state, while Europeans don't even want to close their borders to immigration in order to maintain their cultures. This is a huge difference in points of view here.

    I arrived at that conclusion by looking at the attitudes towards maintaining national population and culture around the world. In virtually every nation outside the Western world, steps are taken to ensure the survival of the nation's ethnic identity. There are Korean-Japanese who have been living in Japan for generations, and they're not allowed to vote, because the state doesn't recognize them as Japanese. Can you imagine the scandal it would be if Norway or Finnland did something like that?
    Look at the immigration policies around the world. Look at policies on owning land around the world. You can't tell me that the Western world isn't the exception when it comes to welcoming foreigners to replace themselves.

    So why are there so many Jewish neighborhoods in America populated by Jews who have lived here for generations? Why is the media, where Jews are over-represented, constantly putting Israel before America?
    And no, I'm not a Trump supporter. I don't believe he's going to put "America first," because I know he rather please the Jewish bankers and businessmen than fix the country. Also, he's insane.

    During WWII, a lot of Slavs and Mischlinge fought for the Nazis, even though they knew the Nazis considered Slavs and Mischlinge to be Untermenschen. They didn't do it because the liked Nazi Germany, they did it because they figured being ruled by Stalin's Soviet Union would be even worse.
    Just because someone fights in the military of a particular country, doesn't mean they care about that country. The Jews fought for Germany and Austria-Hungary in WWI because they had a vested interest in keeping those countries protected. Yet they also created and spread Communism throughout those countries, for the same reason they created and spread white guilt in America. The Jews will always put their own community before the nation, even if they don't particularly hate that nation.
    Seriously, considering the role the Jews played in Communism and WWII, bringing up WWI doesn't help your argument.

    I'm not opposed to having programs to keep the wealth circulating throughout all classes of a country. That's how you keep an economy strong, and even the earliest Capitalists said this. If that makes me a Socialist, that's fine. That word has been used in so many different ways now, it's almost as useless as the word "racist."
    However, I do think the less government, the better. And if we didn't have the Jews hoarding wealth within their community, we would need less social programs to have a level playing field. A neighborhood of rich Danish-Americans would see themselves as American, and wouldn't have an issue with doing business with people who weren't of Danish stock. This is how Capitalism works. Divided communities are how Capitalism fails.

    I think you've been going by "feeling" far more than I have here. You've still yet to give a logical answer to my initial question.
    Having been to Brooklyn many times, I can tell you that there are plenty of Jewish areas.
    Borough Park is a good example. Jews have effectively turned this area Jewish so that they can live within their culture. Things like this aren't uncommon for European immigrants. However, Jewish "Americans" who have lived here for generations also choose to live in places like this.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borough_Park,_Brooklyn

    Yeeeeah, I really don't know where you got that from. I never said "Non-white people shouldn't be allowed in Europe." Rather, I asked why white countries are the only ones who are either happy or indifferent to see their cultures die out through mass immigration and a booming birthrate among foreigners. If so many Germans immigrated to Greece, that the Greeks were on their way to becoming a minority, I would hope that Greece would close its borders for a while.
    Is race an issue? Well, I do think all these ethnicities and cultures have a racial element. But I wouldn't want one European people to be lost due to immigration of another European people. I also wouldn't want to lose the beautiful cultures of Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, India, and Thailand.
    Lovely. But it's a blatant non sequitur.
    And if colonialism created an anti-immigration sentiment, that sentiment is all but gone today. Yet it remains outside of the West.
    So, once again... why is this?
     
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    So how come no other society thinks becoming a minority in your own nation and having your culture replaced with a foreign culture is "culturally enriching" then?
    Non-Western societies have also interacted with foreign cultures throughout history. It hasn't driven them to embrace anti-nationalism.

    It's also important to note that you can want to preserve your nation while still believing other peoples have worth. I don't want Europe to take in thousands upon thousands of Palestinian refugees, but I certainly want Israel to stop murdering them and end the blockade.
     
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    Wasn't your theory that Lutheranism is what causes ethnomasochism?
    Are you saying Lutheranism actually causes a specific anti-white feeling? If so, what about Lutheranism is anti-white?

    Well someone had to have come up with the idea of white guilt in the first place, right? And such a self-destructive idea must be continually propagated in order for it to catch and grow for generations.
    Which of the following is more likely?
    That Jews created white guilt because it helps them gain power.
    That Whites created white guilt despite it harming their own interests.

    When we also consider that Jews created Communism for the exact same reason, it gets pretty obvious that the first option is at least more than likely.
    And yes, a lot of white liberals are seemingly the same as Jewish liberals. However, the Jews are motivated by fear of foreign nationalism, jealousy over white progress, and (in some cases religious) Jewish Supremacism. White people don't have these things. White guilt would probably die out, even among white liberals, if the Jews were no longer controlling the media.
     
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    Blacks in Africa can argue somewhat cogently that they don't have any Black privilege, their cultures exist only as small remnants of what they once were. You might as well be asking why don't Amerinds recognize their Native American Privilege, when the fact is that real Native American Culture doesn't exist any more and hasn't for decades.

    Most of the Japanese I met DID do something about Japanese Privilege. The Japanese will go out of their way to accomodate "gaijin" differences in customs, even business practices and laws. Chinese are a little less so but even they try not to be "provincial" when dealing with foreigners

    I watched the video and it is basically slandering the cultures it used as examples, acting as if the worst racists within them are basically like everyone, as if you were to characterize America by David Duke.

    Finally and most important. The fact is that American Culture IS unique in the world by being a culture of all cultures, just as we are a nation of nations. Indeed, I would posit that by attacking our recognition of our cultural privilege you are attacking OUR culture, our recognition of our uniqueness as a people and the basis of what makes us the culture we are
     
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    It's not a theory, it's an observation. Nordic countries and Germany are quite willing to replace themselves.


    I realize you can't see how ridiculous you sound, but I said that in my first reply in this thread.
     
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    "Equal rights and freedoms under the law" is far from the Marxist "equality" of equal results that progressives push for. "Morality" has nothing to do with it. It's all about power, and always has been.

    But how can somebody live in a non-white neighborhood when non-whites continue to flood into the country and "diversity" is being forced upon those white neighborhoods? You're aware that the Government pushes social engineering experiments to encourage more non-whites to move into predominantly white neighborhoods?

    http://www.investors.com/politics/p...ousing-rules-mandates-neighborhood-diversity/

    Actually you can, it is just done differently. In the 21st century a Western country is not likely to be invaded and colonized by another, but countries can send their excess population into those countries via immigration and outbreed the existing population, which will result in those countries being colonized in a few generations. We are witnessing that now, both in the US and in Europe.

    So, in other words, you have no real evidence that Japan's huge growth, which happened decades after the "7 year long US occupation" had anything to do with said occupation. By the time Japan experienced this growth the war was long behind them, and they made the conscious decision to retain their own culture and resist the kind of pluralism that you are advocating for in the West.

    Whether or not they want to turn it into the places they originally came from is not important. It happens, regardless. They bring their cultures with them and, more and more, they don't assimilate, mostly due to the push for "multiculturalism" as opposed to assimilation.

    Says the guy with the strawman argument.

    It's best enough that any country you would choose to live in would have that culture as the dominant culture. That's the real irony in the progressive attitude towards the West. They sided against it during the Cold War, yet they remained in it, always trying to change it from within.

    "Capital" has changed hands countless times throughout human history. Arabs, Asians, blacks, whites, and everyone else have all taken turns being the dominant holders of capital, yet none of those groups except whites have developed a culture as advanced as Western civilization, which is what both Europe and the US was based on.
     
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    This kind of bigotry and white supremacy was around before there were any signifcant number of Jews in this country.

    I'll let Abraham Lincoln explain it to you.

    I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor or degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy [sic].

    http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/speed.htm
     
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    He also said this:

    and this:

    and this:

    He also wanted them deported out of the country after the Civil War was over.
     
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    Ermmm maybe the 1,000,000 plus civilians white armies have blown to smithereens in the last two decades?

    Or maybe the the non- white presidential palaces the white jet pilots have been blowing up this decade on behest of white politicians??? Just a thought.
     
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    J0NAH, let's see your source for this claim.
     
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    WTF?

    equal results? NONSENSE. Equal opportunity, equal rights, equal freedoms. Morality has a lot to do with it, but I do agree that quest for power can override everything else.


    "flooding in"? Lessee, illegal immigration has resulted in 11 million "illegals" of which 66% of them have been in the country for more than a decade. Then legal immigration ha averaged around 1.5 million a year, refugees included. Then there are the migrants still coming in, which has been declining for some time now.
    And the total population of America is?

    so its not foreigners flooding in, its just anybody that ain't white and that includes your fellow citizens.

    You really don't get the whole EQUAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS under the law part of America do you?




    there coming to take it away, Ha! Ha!

    Wanna solve economic migration? Narrow the wealth gap, oh, but that would mean the rich doing with less, while not in the least impacting their lifestyles. It would require the building of infrastructure in far away places, and capital investment, and all kinds of things that would create markets, manufacturing and consumer demand.
    Seems to me it would be a way better and more effective use of human and financial capital than buying bullets and multibillion dollar boondoggle weapons platforms.


    Er, did you miss the part about establish parliamentary democracy and its associated institutions? Of course the US didn't do anything to assist in the development of the new japanese economy. I will say this you are stubborn in your narrow view as monoracialism as the sole principle source for their subsequent success.
    I mean really a completely restructuring of the method of civil governance wouldn't mean anything to the future of the country, its culture and its economy now would it.




    I reject the notion that they don't assimilate if given the opportunity to. Yes first generation immigrants come with all kinds of assorted cultural baggage.
    I don't dispute that amongst these "unwashed masses" there are some truly evil and looney people. OTOH, I'm way more afraid of getting hit by lightning than some crazy ******** or fanatical ideologue (religious or otherwise), and I love walking in the rain.


    er, that wasnt' a strawman.



    And whatever that predominant culture it is generally a blend of many that came before it and/or who live near by.

    progressives sided against the west? Now that is a truly dumb bumpersticker




    Like I said basic stuff.
     

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