White Ethnomasochism

So basically, some white people have done terrible things, and now many Whites feel too guilty to care about their own self-interest, correct?
Well, if that's the case, why don't the Turks have ethnomasochism over the Armenian Genocide? Why don't the Japanese have "Japanese guilt" over the Rape of Nanking?
Every race, every ethnic group, has committed genocide and slavery. Whites, Blacks, Asians, Arabs, Jews, Mestizos, nobody is immune here.
So how come only Whites are ethnomasochistic?

 

Non sequitur to the Nth degree.

 

And what is the reason for this?
I find it unlikely the reason is Lutheranism, because the Nordic countries and Germany are some of the least religious countries on Earth. And there are plenty of other Lutheran countries, ones where people actually take religion seriously, that aren't ethnomasochistic.

Shrugging off a question or comment like this just shows that you can't refute me with logic, evidence, or facts.
In your first reply, you blamed white ethnomasochism on Western Civilization and Lutheran Christianity. I asked what about Western Civilization leads to ethnomasochism, and you never answered that question. I also explained multiple times, including in this post, why Lutheranism can't be the answer.

 

its called reality, come on in my polish friend, or maybe not, i heard they tightened the borders huh huh

 

I just said this was an observation, not a theory. But I'm sure there are better explanations than "the Jews."

When you start out the thread making an unsupported, ridiculous claim, I don't require a full sociological work up to know it's not, "the jews." Since you have no factual basis for your claim, why should I provide any to disprove a ridiculous conspiracy theory?[/QUOTE]

 

J0NAH, I asked you for a source on your claim that "white armies have blown to smithereens" over 1,000,000 civilians in the last two decades. Can I assume that you don't have one, and that you simply made it up?

 

well, you they did elect the fascists into governance did they not and im sure turks and japanese do have a smidgen of regret/guilt but not on the astronomical scale white should have. anyway, whos talking about turks, this is about white jet pilots. or maybe you think the turk genocide was "au fait"

 

its common knowledge, youre welcome

 

You know I agree with you on most topics, but why is it so ridiculous to suspect Jews being largely responsible for multiculturalism in the West? Marxism was created by a Jew. The Bolshevik Revolution was disproportionately comprised of Jewish radicals. Antonio Gramsci was a Jew. Saul Alinsky was a Jew. Jews remain arguably the most loyal group to far-left politics even in modern times. Jewish groups were strong supporters of the 1965 immigration law change which permanently altered the demographics of the US, even as they told the people that it wouldn't happen. They were also behind similar immigration changes in Europe and elsewhere. They have a disproportionately high amount of control in Government, media, Hollywood, and Academia, and it is through these four channels that much of the political culture is developed. Why is it that much of a stretch to suspect that they are the prime-movers behind issues like this one? True, non-Jewish liberals are identical to left-wing Jews, but who is to say they didn't get their ideas from one of the Jewish sources I named?

 

So, no source, then. Thanks for confirming my suspicion that you can't support your own arguments.

 

It's false that you think Jewish people run all our top media outlets. They only run 3 of the 5, with Newscorp (Fox) being ran by a Christian with Jewish ethnicity. Brian Roberts is head of media giant Comcast---he is likely a secular progressive.

Of course the guiding doctrine of the Left is Cultural Marxism. And a centerpiece of that is White guilt.

The Major Media with run about 200 news clips, movies and so forth about the Holocaust, for every mention of genocides by their beloved Commies in China, Soviet Union, Cambodia, and the Ukraine.

No wonder White Guilt is so pervasive.

 

Jewish aren't the best religion. I Think about Christianity and Islam.

 

Native American culture has, for the most part, died out. I wouldn't say African culture has died out, though. Sure, it's been affected by colonization, but most tribes still have their traditional languages, celebrations, rituals, art, dances, and so on.

But this is a separate issue from racial/ethnic privilege. Privilege is that idea that certain races or ethnicities have an advantage in a particular society.
In Angola, 97% of the population is black. The media is run by Blacks. The government is run by Blacks. The banks, the courts, the schools, the military, are all run by Blacks.
So would you agree that Blacks have a better chance at succeeding in Angola than the tiny minority of Whites and Mestizos that live there?

If so, then why aren't Angolans doing anything to change this? Why aren't they taking steps to flood Angola with immigrants from Europe, the Middle East, and Asia? Why aren't they forcing multiculturalism on their people?

Yes, most Japanese are respectful enough to accommodate foreigners who visit Japan. However, the Japanese are not willing to open their borders and let thousands upon thousands of foreigners actually live in Japan.
I mentioned before in this thread that there is a Korean-Japanese minority that has been living in Japan for generations, and they're not allowed to vote in elections because they're not seen as true Japanese by the people or government.

The beginning did show some racist Japanese. However, as the video goes on, the narrator expresses respect for the Japanese and Chinese for keeping Japan and Hong Kong as they should be.
To be honest, I don't think we should be yelling at minorities in the street to "go home," nor do I think European governments should start kicking out Arabs and Turks. But I do think European nations should adopt the same policies on nationalism that the rest of the world has.

I actually agree with you on America. America was never just one ethnicity or culture. So sure, America having open borders is not an example of white ethnomasochism. However, what is an example of white ethnomasochism is the endless list of double standards. Like the video says, science can be "too white" while nobody argues that the NBA is "too black." Our media, with its constant narrative of the white racist and the black victim, should not be tolerated, and yet it is.
Further more, what about Europe? Norway was never a melting pot like America. So why don't Norwegians want to close their borders and keep being Norway? Why isn't Europe like Asian in this regard?

 

Such as?

This is the "Political Opinions & Beliefs" section of the forum. I presented a belief I have, and then I explained why I think it's most likely true. If you're not willing to dispute my theory with logic, rather you're just going to shoot it down, you're probably in the wrong section of the forum.

 

What I'm saying is that all races and ethnicities have committed genocide and slavery, so why are Whites the only ones plagued with ethnomasochism? That's why I brought up the Turks.

 

Recently, there has been the rise of Japanese nationalism and Korean minorities are especially targeted by hate groups similar to white nationalist groups. As a result, Japan enacted hate speech laws to crack down on these groups. Korean minorities are completely segregated and they cannot obtain Japanese citizenship, having been treated as resident aliens for generations. I think ethnonationalism is pervasive regardless of your ethnicity. In the pre-war era, the Japanese were the master race in Asia and Japanese nationalists adamantly refuse to apologise for the civilising mission in Asia under the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Conservative historians in the UK have the same attitude towards the British Empire.

 

The Jews are not a religion, they are an ethnicity. A Christian Jew is a Jew, just like an Atheist Jew is a Jew.
Besides, a lot of these Jews who claim to convert are actually Crypto-Jews like the Young Turks.
So what you're saying here is that the Jews run 4 of the 5 top media outlets. That's disproportionate to say the least.

Guess which people created both Marxism and Cultural Marxism.

And you don't think it says something that Hollywood, which is primarily run by Jews, is constantly cranking out Holocaust movies?
If you think it's just to cover up the horrors of Communism, well then what about all the other genocides throughout history? Why does Jewish Hollywood want us to only focus on the Holocaust?

 

I agree that nationalism is not completely non-existent in Europe. However, do you really think it's fair to compare the Japanese and the British here?
The UK has been allowing mass immigration for decades. Japan has refused to do the same, despite being a first world nation with internationalist business ties and an alpha city as its capital. Saying the UK and Japan both have nationalism is like looking at Iceland and Colombia, and saying both countries have crime.
And I have to disagree, I think most British accept that colonization was wrong. Really, the only crimes against humanity the British refuse to accept their country did were the ones carried out during WWII. And that's only because the media tells us WWII was "The Good War."

 

No need to preach to the choir.

However in general, any conservative/Christian/or equivalent questioning the Jewish people is going to come off as being a Nazi stormtrooper.

Typically, there are about 80% of (ethnic) Jewish people here in America that are liberals/leftist. There are 20% who are not.

In Hollywood, I'd figure about 80% of the important studio heads, producers, directors and writers are of Jewish decent.

 

Hello, mcfly, using your categorization they most definitely are an ethno-religious group. That's why jews come in such a variety of different flavors and cultures.

Is this a new game, who can use the most number of jew hating bumperstickers in a single response?

They're comin' to take you away, Ha ha!

 

They are an ethnic group in that the Jewish community defines itself based on ancestry, not religious belief. An ethnic French person can believe in Judaism, but won't be considered Jewish. Whereas an ethnic Jew can believe in Buddhism and still be considered Jewish.

Ah yes, the Trump strategy. "I can't refute your points, so I'll just insult you."

 

Okay, I'm admittedly a Third Positionist. So I want to start by decrying war-crimes. Okay, now that I've decried them allow me to engage in revisionist history: Let's suppose Japan actually did win the war, and the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere took its place. Of course, Imperial Japan would have received most of the benefit, but India actually benefited from England's colonization. If Japan took the self-cultivating route of England, we would have had a very prosperous Asia that likely would have included a reformed China that's more acceptable to Western views than presently.

Rather than fighting the war against Japan, I would have liked to have given Japan incentive for looking at the war in a different lens. Not one of a 'conquerer' but one of a reformer who 'just happened' to get some good benefits. In other words, a united Asian Sphere is something we'd like to see.

Given historic Asian antagonism, this will be difficult. But not impossible, while Japan has been hard to move on the 'social justice' front, it has been quick to move on the technology front. I say if we give it a few more years of encouragement, and a middle ground position, we might see Japan 'liberalize' a little more, while stabilizing itself firmly for minorities and ethnic Japanese alike.

I think if you see South Korea extending a hand, China extending a hand, etc. I think if we move along this direction, a true Co-Prosperity Sphere might be possible.

I'm a believer in a Separation of Powers doctrine. Japan should have its sphere of influence, as should China and the Koreas, with the freedom for the developing countries of Asia to develop(and naturally the same doctrine applies around the world.) With mutual respect and friendship, instead of entanglement we'll have a much more prosperous world.

 

1. Jews are going to be over-represented in pretty much anything having to do which verbal intelligence since Ashkenazi Jews are about a standard deviation about "average" in IQ. That's not the case for Sephardic or other groups of Jews, so we don't see many Jews from those other groups mentioned often.

2. For the United States in particular, Jewish immigration was mostly Ashkenazi at the turn of the century, and for many of them, they were anarchists, communists, and other assorted leftists. That's why they coming to the US, because they were being persecuted back home.

3. So...you have a very small group of high IQ individuals that are disproportionally leftists and of all the white ethnics, they, because of religion, were (at the time) the least likely to assimilate.

4. So now we're in 21st Century America, and assimilation is moving at such pace that about 70% of non-Orthodox intermarry outside of their religion. If you can't keep your kids away from the blond shiksas, how are you going to pass down your Protocols of Zion (or however you think the instructions to destroy civilization are passed down) to your half goy grandkids?

5. Destroying Western (aka Christian) civilization, if your Jewish, is stupid. I can't imagine that French Jews, who now have to live in fear in their own country, really think it's a great plan to introduce into the place where they live Jew hating Muslims. Great plan Jews!

Sorry Occam's razor just doesn't support any special Jewish plan or conspiracy. Its' not like if there was no Karl Marx no one would have invented Communism. That sort of socialist thinking goes back much further than Marx. He just decorated as "scientific" and had a best seller, he didn't invent the idea of communalism out of whole cloth.

 

Please see my post above

 

Brewskier also mentioned that Jews are over-represented in communist and globalist movements. And it's worth noting that this is only in Western countries, as opposed to Israel, where they seem to love nationalism. So the problem isn't that Jews are successful. The problem is that they become successful and then pursue anti-white goals.
Really, the whole IQ thing is besides the point. The point is that the Jews control the media in the Western world. So when we ask the question, "Why is it ONLY in the West that ethnomasochism exists in such large numbers?," it seems more than likely the answer is because white Westerners have been conditioned by the Jewish media to think nationalism is bad. And this is especially likely because globalism serves the Jews well, the Jews have a deep fear of foreign nationalism, and they've done this before with Marxism in Europe. No where outside the West does a minority control a nations mind, much less a minority that dislikes when the majority has nationalism.

Following you so far.

Most of these Anarchist and Communist Ashkenazi Jews were Atheists. So religion shouldn't have prevented them from assimilating.
But okay, religion was still very common among a lot of Ashkenazi Jews when Jews were new immigrants to America. However, today Ashkenazi Jews are among the most secular people in the world. And they're still living in their own communities and remaining loyal to Israel while living in America.

First, I'd have to see some statistics on this. A whole lot of Jews still don't let their kids intermarry.
Secondly, like I said before, there's no grand conspiracy here where all of the Jews in the world meet in a smoke-filled room to decide the future of the world. The reason Jews have promoted things like Communism, ethnomasochism, white guilt, globalization, and mass immigration is because the following three things are common in Jewish culture:
1) The religious belief that Jews are the "chosen people," and should have dominion over gentiles. The same way Christianity has been secularized as Christian Humanism, Judaism's racist ideas live on in secular Jewish culture too.
2) The jealousy Jews feel over the progress foreign societies have made, while Jews have yet to have a great society that was completely their own.
3) The fear Jews feel that any kind of foreign nationalism will lead to another Holocaust or Spanish Inquisition.
The last two things are common among Jews who don't believe in Judaism or Jewish Supremacism. These are the Jews who do intermarry, and I don't doubt intermarriage is up among Jews like this. However, they still harbor the jealousy and fear which drives them to promote white guilt and other harmful ideas.

The Jews don't want to destroy Western Civilization. They want to promote ideas that they believe will make the West safer for them, as well as give them more opportunities. This will destroy Western Civilization, but I don't think many of them actually want that or are even thinking that way.
The American Jews polluting Europe through Hollywood movies aren't purposely trying to turn Europe into a Muslim land. They're simply promoting the never-ending white guilt they always do. The Jews in Europe are getting screwed but, like I said, there is no worldwide Jewish Illuminati. Simply Jews promoting the ideas they grew up with.

Well, I agree with you on one thing. Occam's Razor isn't the answer here. I've already explained why this isn't a clean and cut Jewish conspiracy.
And yes, Communist philosophy existed long before Marx. The ancient Greeks had Communism too. But Marxism is not literally Communism. Communism in its purest form is a society with no government. Which, to be honest, is not a terrible idea. Communism can work if it's on a very small scale.
But Marx's Communism, which would later be further expanded upon by the Bolsheviks, was just a front for Jews to get rid of European nationalisms while maintaining their own nationalism. They used Marxism as a tool to rise to power in Russia, and keep the masses nice and brainwashed, all while keeping their own Jewish identity.