Merkel warns US, Britain no longer reliable partners

1. Nobody wants illegals to flood into our nation. The problem is that we disagree on the efficacy of a big wall. Statistics show that over 70% of illegals arrive via boat and plane, and practically all mass drug transports by boat and plane. Talk of a wall was a political stunt designed to get Trump into office. Trump used your fear and misconceptions to gain power.

2. Illegals contribute billions in tax revenue.

 

The advantage of building a wall is...Trump has a lot of friends in the construction industry. I'm sure he has a scheme to make tons of money off "the wall".

 

It already has... for Russia.

 

That is a nonsensical answer. No surprise.

You support a man who sides with cold-blooded killers. How do you justify supporting vigilante murder? No jury, no trial, no lawyers, just cops executing people on the streets.

That is what you are now supporting.

 

Let Germany take the lead for a while. Let them pay the biggest share of the U.N.'s expenses. Let their military be the first responder when a natural disaster strikes the third world.

Let's see how they do in the driver's seat. What a joke.

 

Sounds right from where I'm sitting. Not a complicated point of view. No an unfair one.

 

Ok, yeah there's that.....lolol

 

To put some things right. Merkel was able to cull immigration into Europe by over 95%. I ´m right wing conservative. I vote AfD and i find myself here defending Merkel.

I dont know what fake news they fed you over there, but the fact remains, that Merkel locked down Europe. What happened in end of 2015 was a disaster and she said herself this will never repeat.

Her new mantra is "deportation, deportation, deportation.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/merkel-plans-mass-deportations-in-migrant-crackdown-cf9fvvtvl

I agree with her in that.

2.d point is that trump was completly isolated at the G7 meeting. Merkel uses this to forge the EU closer together. Thats what her statement means. USA is not a partner we can trust in in full extent. That times change and Europe must act accordingly. That france now has a president who is almost 100% on our goals makes this a great option for our future.

I dont know what some hetre expect, that we base our trust in a partnership that is not 100% trustworthy?

I expect from my nations leader to play through all evnualities. trusting 100% ino USA would be fooolish at best.

 

Well it's true. We have different interests, and there's nothing wrong with recognizing that. It's actually been long overdue. Since the end of the cold war our actual interests have been diverging. If Merkel wants to make it all about personalities (Trump) she's free to do so.

 

And illegals consume tens of billions in taxed paid government services than they pay in taxes.

 

Because Trump likes the cut of Russia's gib.

State-ran media so Trump wouldn't have to have his feewings hurt by the media saying mean things about him.
President for life.
Persecution of minorities.
Sham elections.
Assassinations of political rivals.

People would finally leave Trump to just sit around in his boxers eating chocolate cake and reruns of "The Apprentice" in between rounds of golf.

 

Which interests have been diverging between the US and Germans?

 

Funny how an upcoming election brings about new mantras.

 

So far I've agreed with every post I have seen of yours and I tend to vote left. Huh may be left and right , not as important as we are told.

 

America first... does it rings a bell?

 

The world does not want America involved in world affairs. They've made that clear. We're constantly told the world would be better off without America.

I say we should give them what they want. We should withdraw to within our borders and let the world fall apart. Let China take over Asia. Let Russia take over Europe. Let Iran take over the Middle East.

 

If that happened they would find some way to accuse the US of being the cause.

 

Now, to be fair, Merkel didn't say that US is not a trustworthy partner anymore, she said, to paraphrase "these days you can't rely on anyone, so the EU has to come closer together".

Of course, reading between the lines, we all know how this was meant. I guess having met Trump twice, she has reached her conclusion.

BTW: To all those cheering the weakening of the tie to Germany: Let's see how the US would do without the use of permanent airbases in Germany. Without those airbases, the Iraq war would have been logistically a lot more difficult.

 

Germany already pays the 2nd largest contribution into UN.

The rest of your statement makes no sense. Germany nowhere said it want be a 1st responder. What Merkel said is, that times changed and the time for 100% trust into USA are over.

What exactly does bother you in that statement?

 

During the Cold War, it made sense to bite the bullet and cover the cost of Germany's defense because the threat of either a Soviet occupied Europe or Soviet intimidated one outweighed their laughing at us for providing them free defense. Those conditions don't exist any longer. Russia doesn't have the capability to power project with a Warsaw Pact into Western Europe that the Soviets had, so the actual military threat to Europe is minimal.

 

Whoever criticizes the U.S. should shut up unless they're willing to take the lead in world affairs.

Let them be the check on Russian expansion. Let them keep the mullahs in Iran from taking over the Middle East. Let them be the first responder for any natural disaster.

I don't see anyone stepping up. It's easier just to stay home, live off the American taxpayer, and criticize the U.S. for not doing enough.

 

Germany needs us a lot more than we need them.

 

Which means that 30% do not. See this is the thing that ignorant pathetic left wingers like you keep doing and it just makes you look so dumb. NOBODY is saying that once the wall goes up all illegal immigration will just vanish and never happen again. Of ****ing course there will be plenty who find ways in.

That's just reality (I know you guys don't live in reality) you guys act like it's supposed to be this end all thing and of it doesn't fix the problem 100% then it's not worth it. That's ****ing stupid. It is simply one step to fixing a large problem. Other steps need to be taken as well but just because they don't magically make the issue disappear over night doesn't mean you shouldn't pursue them. Cutting illegal immigration by 30% sounds like a hell of a win to me.

 

Good on Merkel for coming right out and saying what everyone's thinking, with Trumps election America lost the "leader of the free world" title imo, I think this belongs to Germany now and that's exactly what she is doing... leading.

 

I'd always thought a partnership was based upon equal investments in joint ventures that are mutually beneficial to both parties. Am I wrong? As far as being trustworthy, and reliable ... hasn't the US faithfully maintained it's economic support of the alliance? Haven't we trusted that et some point Germany would live up to it's economic commitment? This is why you never loan money to friends.