Merkel warns US, Britain no longer reliable partners

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    It took Germany longer than that to repay what they owed from WWI and WWII and finally paid in full 2010. With "allies" like that who needs enemies.
     
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    "leader of the free world" title", by all means let them step in and take over. All they do is cost us tons of money. Heck, they couldn't even handle Libya without begging bombs from the U.S. The EU is like a cousin that always wants something but is never around when you do. Good riddance I say. My Uncle is in the Cambridge American Military Cemetery. He died trying to save them from themselves.
     
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    der schloppen und der fritzelmiffen ist grettab nufferpupen und vertipern Ja! Ja!
     
  4. Texas Republican

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    That's telling them!
     
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    Pleasr quote where she mentioned either nation by name.
     
  6. Texas Republican

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    And like I said earlier, that's ok.

    Let Germany's military keep the Russians from expanding into Eastern Europe.

    Let Germany keep Iran from taking over the Middle East.

    Let Germany's navy keep the international shipping lanes open as China expands.

    Let Germany pay the highest share to the U.N. and NATO.

    Let Germany take lead in responding to natural disasters around the globe with the logistics and resources.

    Germany has 1/4 the population of the U.S. and a fraction of the resources. It's not going to be easy for them, but good luck with it.
     
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    Let Germany sell is vehicles that are NOT IN DELIBERATE VIOLATION OF OUR CLEAN AIR LAWS....
     
  8. Lil Mike

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    But Germany plus the EU has a larger economy than the US and a larger population. Why are we supporting them? We should be hiding behind the skirts of the EU, not the other way around, so if Merkel wants to lead, let her.
     
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    Damn, now that is funny. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Good. Disband NATO and set up some kind of EU security apparatus.
     
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    And maybe Europe can pay for the defense of the U.S. for the next 70 years as a payback. Then we can build our roads, schools, airports, etc.
     
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    Well that is exactly Trump's aim America first, and full marks to Merkel for acknowledging and moving on without batting an eyelid.
     
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    Germany is cleaning up after America, taking hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees caused by America's interference in the Middle East, so you can stop playing the martyr. You cause more damage than good with your wars. Many want the US out of Asia too... any interference will only result in America unloading a stack of bombs in Asia... why on earth do you think we want that? Yes please leave. The only reason you are there is because of the threat to the US west coast, it's not as if you're there for South Korea's benefit, if you were you'd have intervened years ago.
     
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    Germany has never been an ally of the U.S. It has been a vassal State and just recently gained its independence.
     
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    I don't really care what Merkel says or thinks. Let her keep taking in the riffraff.
     
  16. Texas Republican

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    So you think Germany can take our place? You think the Russians live in fear of the German military? Good bye Baltic states! Good luck with that. Germany chose suicide with the Muslim refugees; not our fault.

    That's a stupid comment about Korea. We've been defending South Korea since 1950, long before North Korea threatened our West Coast with missiles.

    The fear in Europe right now is if the U.S. pulls out if NATO, Europe will fall apart. It will be back to the infighting they had 1900-1945. If the U.S. pulls back, the world will collapse. That's ok. I don't care.
     
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    exactly you don't care, what usually happens is a country elect a leader the CIA does not approve of, US invades bombs the crap out of the place and then have the cheek to tell them they've been liberated. Go save yourselves for a change please.
     
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    ^^This. If Merkel thinks we are not trustworthy then there's no reason to stay in NATO. Save 40+ Billion and let Germany deal with their own problems like a grown adult for once.

    Personally I think Germany/Merkel should ST FU with their past history. Who are they to call someone 'unreliable.'
     
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    Well, it's obvious that we need to target Germany with out nukes so that we can solve that problem for good.
     
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    Lets not forget, we didn't donate to the reconstruction of Western Europe, including through NATO, just out of the goodness of our heart. We have gained far more from the alliances we cultivated during that period then we lost.

    "World War II devastated Western Europe, inflicting a staggering death toll on combatants and civilians, and destroying homes, buildings, factories and key infrastructure essential to economic commerce across the continent. The physical damage was so severe that in May 1947, nearly two years after Victory in Europe Day, Winston Churchill describedEurope as “a rubble-heap, a charnel house, a breeding ground of pestilence and hate.”

    At the time, leaders in Washington understood that the United States had a powerful strategic interest in helping Western Europe to recover and stand on its own. As Secretary of State George C. Marshall said on June 5, 1947: “Our policy is directed not against any country or doctrine but against hunger, poverty, desperation and chaos. Its purpose should be the revival of a working economy in the world so as to permit the emergence of political and social conditions in which free institutions can exist.”

    That’s why the United States worked to rebuild post-war Europe, investing $22 billion — or roughly $182 billion in real 21st-century dollars adjusted for inflation — in economic foreign assistance across 16 war-torn nations from 1946 to 1952. To be sure, America’s post-war commitment to Western Europe demonstrated our nation’s character. Yet it also advanced our economic interests. America’s $182 billion in economic foreign assistance to Europe amounts to far less than the more than $250 billion in goods that the United States now annually"

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blog...06/the-lessons-from-us-aid-after-world-war-ii
     
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    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...ato-budget-germany-1465-13-allies-pay-below-1

    a closer look at NATO funding also underlines that – as is the case with the United Nations – the U.S. contributes more than one-fifth of the direct, collective funding that keeps NATO’s military and civilian operations on track.

    Member countries contribute in line with an agreed cost-sharing formula, based on Gross National Income. (GNI equals GDP plus income obtained in dividends, interest etc. from other countries.)

    Under that formula, the U.S. contributes 22.144 percent of the NATO budget, followed by Germany (14.65 percent), France (10.63 percent) and Britain (9.84 percent).
     
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    I don't blame her.

    Any country that has an Electoral system that could facilitate the election of a COMPLETELY CLUELESS IMBECILE (like Trump) does not deserve to be taken seriously (by any rational World leader) as a "trustworthy partner".

    The default position (of any RATIONAL World leader) as long as Trump is POTUS:

    The USA is an UNTRUSTWORTHY partner.
     
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    Let me make one thing clear.

    1. Russia doesnt pour into eastern europe. It never will.

    2. Germany has great relations wizh Iran. An iranian dominance would be pretty much in our interest.

    3. Germany is in good relations with China and always was. No problem here. The pacific isnt our home range.

    4. We already pay 2nd highest UN contribution

    5. Its not our duty to intervene in evry natural desaster.
     
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    The US is the one who provided the Berlin airlift and Russia is the one that held part of her nation under autocratic rule for most of those 60 years. If she wants to side with Russia, Germans would be well-advised to seriously contemplate whether or not Merkel is for sale to the highest bidder.
     
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    I'm guessing the French.
     

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