NATO FILM: Forest Brothers – Fight for the Baltics

Ninian, you wrote a lot, but I do not get your point about Baby Yar. If it was not in the center of Kiev, but at the outskirts what it changes? There is a fact- mass murdering of people right at the beginning of the war. It does not matter if it was in the center or somewhere outside of the city. This fact shows the real face of Nazis - no mercy or kindness right after the start of the war in the East. I do not think there is anything that can be argued here. I am sorry, but those people who gave the orders to kill and to sent to the gas chambers can hardly be called humans. They are rather animals.

 

Yet they were humans. They been born, they been raised, went to schools, had mothers, pets, liked sweets, drew suns and houses with crayons, loved, had children, dreamed, had nightmares, built careers, went through Great War, had wounds, had scars, saw horrors, saw revolution in their country, saw devastation, economic crisis, starvation and poverty, saw opportunities, taken chances, propaganded their ideas, stood together, received orders, gave orders, made choises, taken decidions, sent people to gas chambers, corpses to furnaces, children to human experiments, armies to slaughters, fought, saw victories, saw defeat, had dreams, had nightmares, died.

Real face of a nazy - is a human face. And each of them was different, was individual. They hardly can be called humans - sure. It is hard to call them humans. Does not changes fact that they were humans.

 

Do you really expect people who comment on the USSR to, at the same time, also include comments on Yugoslavia, Syria, Libya, Mosul, Taqqa etc.? I could also include German Nazis and Italian fascists in a post but that would now be making each of them rather bulky and bog down any conversation. What you are really doing here, which is far too common when the argument is clearly lost, is a crude attempt to divert from the topic of conversation.

The Russians have a reputation for often being rather crude boors and a couple of Russian posters on this board only enhance that reputation.

 

I understand that murdering people was "their job". Everyone in the world knows that so no 'explanation' is required. What was your point in explaining the bleeding obvious?

They were just carrying out orders, huh? To murder people whose only crime was wanting to leave. Those 'orders' came right from Russia and filtered down to every communist despot throughout Eastern Europe.

It was a Russian, Khrushchev, who ordered the construction of the wall and it was Russian troops who enforced those laws should anyone get out of line.

 

Being 'human' is probably the worst possible excuse for committing crimes against humanity. None worse comes to mind anyway. These pigs you're referring to should of should of thought for a moment of the humanity of their victims, who were harmless, human, and murdered.

 

Welcome to humanity. "Collateral damage was necessary."

 

Who are you quoting here?

 

Well, plenty of people.

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You make good points with which I agree, but don't forget that to the victors go the spoils. Further, the victors get to write the history and hold the trials. That no allied men were tried for war crimes does not mean that no allied men committed war crimes.

 

Quoting 'plenty of people' is not a quote.
Why are you submitting these awful photos? Do you get off on that? Is this a Russian thing? All you're doing is verifying and magnifying your crudeness.

 

Yes many civilians died. Perhaps Japan should have considered that before declaring war. After all it is the responsibility of the Japanese government to protect the Japanese people.

 

This is history - the one we are making. Created by decidions of people in the past - and one that gets created by decidions of people living today. Right now.

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"necessary sacrifices". "collateral damage". "not our fault".

"Not our fault."​

 

Yes, war is Hell. Did you just come to realize that? Perhaps the Russians shouldhave realized this a century ago and the Germans twice later.

These photos should be displayed in Russian schools, or wherever Russian people gather, to emphasize how dangerous it is to start wars or invade your neighbors.​

 

Are they displayed in USA schools?

 

Why would they be? Americans understand War is Hell and, in fact, it's an American quote. You seem to be a newcomer to history and are shocked by how gruesome war can be. Or you are perhaps an irredeemably ignorant adult.

Either way, Americans certainly don't need any advice from a Russian.

 

So, from words about value of life, about us all being human, and people today murdering more innocents you refused to understand anything.

Maybe some other day, maybe some other generation. Feel free to return to usual farce.

 

Khruschev was not a Russian, he was a Ukrainian who lived on the border of the two countries. He was a devout communist and atheist who believed their political system would win out in the end because it was better for the people than capitalism.

He was no different than the Washington's globalists and one world order freaks who believe in a corporate owned world ... under them of course. As Vladimir Putin said the Soviet Union failed, and so will we.

 

That's a stupid remark. Russia has brilliant philosophers ...but then again ignorance is bliss.

 

But it isn't Russia that's invading countries, we are? Unless you're thinking of the Soviet Union which was a political system that the communists wanted to impose on the world ...sort of the way Washington wants to impose its liberal form of democracy and corporate control on the world.

Can I ask you something without being too personal. It seems you have a hatred towards Russia that goes beyond the brainwashed public... almost as if it's embedded in your DNA. Do you have Polish ancestry?

 

Who is deviating from the topic here is you as it referes to the film about Nazi collaborators who were recognized as criminals in Nuremberg, but who now are being glorified by NATO.

 

Less Russians need any advices from Americans. Stay away on your continent and we stay on our.

 

What were Soviet troops doing in astan to begin with? They asked for, they got it with a stinger. So your mother's classmates basically died for nothing and are owed nothing, just like you claim for other's victims of the former SU.

 

Lol, that's rather difficult for a russian to do, "stay on his own continent", what's the old saying, "give a muscovite vodka and a pistol", never know where he'll turn up.
A russian reminds me of that drunk bachelor"uncle Boris", who arrives at the family function drunk, crashes through wooden fence, stumbles into a chair, shouts for more alcohol, and hits on everyone else's wife or girlfriend.).

 

Lots of denial going on here. Seems no one was Russian and yet they all seemed to gather there at the Kremlin, Red Square, and all the rest of it. Russians were standing on the sidelines applauding all those Ukrainian and Georgians who appeared to be in charge. However there is no doubt Russia was the most powerful country in the USSR and where the seat of power actually was.

Nikita Khrushchev was not better than which globalist? It was Nikita who wanted the Berlin Wall built and, of course, he got his way. Putin, btw, has already invaded his neighbors (Crimea, Ukraine,Georgia) also and apparently has troops stationed along the EU border.

Eastern Europeans would probably welcome Corporations if they had a choice between them or the Russians.

 

Russia may well have brilliant philosophers but I've seen none of them quoted here. There has only been the boorish side.