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Maybe you give here the reference to the source where it is mentioned about how civil were Nazis during the first days of the war with Soviet Union?
Tell this to the relatives of those who died in Babi Yar in september 1941: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar
Or tell this to the relatives of those who died in Minsk in 1941:
Your talk here with respect to that war is a full BS.

 

If the americans were such angels we wouldn't be reading about Abu Ghraib, My Lai, Iran-Contra, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

It wasn't the body count Fred.

 

Oh really? What was the complaint then?

 

Lol - You're full of Gas, face it

 

I haven't been to any communist nation, and have no plans to do so. Doesn't mean I don't understand what goes on there.

 

Of course, it does. In order to have a clear idea what is going on (or what was going on) one has (or had) to be present there. The information strait from the horse's mouth is much more reliable.

 

I'd imagine you never read a single account of the war from your enemy's point of view. If you can overcome your prejudice (doubtful) then read any number of accounts on how the German troops got along with the civilians early on. The war was hardly about Germans killing Jews.

 

Allied and American military were not angels in WW 2, however, the incidents you quote above pale to insignificance to the number of civilians killed in mass bombings in Tokyo, Hiroshima, Dresden, Hamburg and so many others.

So a single village burned in Vietnam and some prisoners humiliated in Iraq can compare to 120,000 civilians being killed in a single raid???

And know not a SINGLE Allied military person was convicted of a single war crime in WW 2.

 

I was in Berlin when the wall came down and was able to take a tour of east berlin. There have worse things than what happened in East Berlin but my eyes have never seen them. I was told that the guards along the wall were all taken from the most rural areas, ignorant of the world and any human compassion, and I was one of the few who refused to shake the hands of these criminals.

All of these crimes were supported and directed by Russian forces. Russian crimes will not be forgotten so easily, and they're whining denials will be ignored, at least for another generation.

 

This is the sort of Anti American propaganda many people so easily fall for. No deaths, no casualties, not even any injuries, but they're quite prepared to call it "War Crimes", or something similar. and will, as you say, ignore genuine war crimes. They don't stop for a moment to consider the source or their own knee-jerk responses.

Stalin was right when he said that one death is a tragedy but a million a statistic. Lenin was also right about 'useful idiots'. They had leftists nailed.

 

Very charming, so what about georgians? Armenians, ukrainians, moldovans, tatars, crimean tatars, ruthenians, lavtians, lithuanians, kazakhs, tadjicks, chuckhas, aleuts, all other nations that live in RF, lived in SU, and been among the top ranks of SU? Should now all georgians pay ME for one of members of THEIR nation mishandling foreign politics in 40th and participating in the war that took lives of two of MY russian great grandfathers and returned the third with such wounds that by 1947 he died from health problems?

I want moldovans and americans to return my mother her classmates, people who grew up in Zelenograd and died in Afganistan in war directed by a moldovan from weapons made in USA.


Why not? If others act retarted - why can't I too? Why can't I slap national label on a one or other crime, mistake or general fuсk up - amd start hating thousands, millions non-involved people for sake of them being people of same nationality?

 

You tell me about propaganda - and say there that soviet border guards in Germany were devoid of compassion. Tell how they were selected to service. Your source being is? My main bet - some local you asked about. Second bet - whoever was your west-german guide, who never probably stood closer that ten to eight meters away from these border guards.

You do not like "leftists" - but quote, basically, the leftist kind of narrative when speak about foreign country. Slap a label of criminal on a whole nation. Why? Hell, because there for years was nobody capable of countering such argumentation in your life.


Hello, I am a russian, I am posting on this forum, and I ask uncomfortable questions from people.

Who told you about soviet border guards, what, and why are you believing them? Not in the way "how dare you believe this [whatever]" but rather the "what motivates you to trust this group of people with no doubt?". And if there is still some doubt - why posting information you are not sure of?

 

I even do not want to read what Nazis who escaped punishment wrote. There are enough documents presented in the museums in Deutschland, Russland und Poland which clearly indicate what was done by Nazis in the first days of WW2 and Great Patriotic War in Russia. The war was to terminate Slavic nations to the east of Germany. If you were in Russia you would immediate find yourself in a prison for Nazi propaganda you are doing here.

 

Russia was guilty of war crimes and your wanting these to be ignored will also be ignored. Germans were responsible for Nazism, whether they like it or not, and Russia was, and is, responsible for invading their neighbors and committing crimes against humanity. Russians should not expect any sympathy whatsoever.

I certainly won't "hate" the Russians, they're not worthy of any negative emotions, but I certainly can't respect them. The same holds true for you, and all those who try to re-write history and shift the blame elsewhere

 

These peasants from rural are not to blame for that they guarded the wall. For almost 40 years only 645 people who tried to cross the wall illegaly were killed. This is nothing compared to the American crimes in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Belgrad, and many other places.

 

Who try to re-write a history is americans who for sure have no sympathy from anyone for whatever they have done quite recently in Yugoslavia and are doing in the ME. Your country produces everywhere BS, by instigating coups and bloody revolutions.

 

Of course they had no compassion. Were you told they had compassion for those trying to leave East Berlin or East Germany?

Is how they were selected important to you? Do you think those who shot youngsters in the back the best and the brightest the Soviets had to offer?

In fact it was an east German guide, telling the tourists how wonderful east Berlin was, how women received equal pay, etc. Of course the entire area was a crime against humanity. Visiting an amazing museum and all the workers could do was sit in a chair and give blank stares. No smiles, nothing.

Those who opposed Communism and the Russian invasions were Right Wing or, in the case of Ronald Reagan, extreme right wing. The leftists own Communism and all the criminal acts which followed, as do the Russians.

You talk nonsense and give uncomfortable answers.

As mentioned, I saw them. I was there in December of 1989, and even drove through Eastern Germany. Are you really that unfamiliar with Checkpoint Charley and all of that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_at_the_Berlin_Wall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Peter_Fechter
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...le-caught-Stasi-trying-flee-East-Germany.html

 

Well, why? Right now we speak about Soviet Union, are we not? Why are you sayin that now Russia is responsible for them? Come on, give the motivation there. Explain it.

I can understand why would there be misconception. Your media does not gives a flying farting fuсk about what Soviet Union was, or what Russian Federation is. And sure it was not giving it during the Cold War. Soviets and russians were a same thing in media, Russia and Soviet Union were same things in media, nobody bothered about history and nature of thing.

But well, that time is gone. Your childhood is GONE. And instead you are there - in 2017, and there is me. I am a russian. I am born in Moscow, I live in Zelenograd, I study history. Closely. Why can't you?


It's not like my back broke to learn that president of USA is not elected through direct elections by citizens, by through specific procedure with specially elected/appointed electors number of which is different in every state. I looked closer at something and saw it being different from what I expected. Why can't YOU do that? Learn things, and look at them closer.


Germans - are not responsible for nazism. Germans is a nation. Nazism is ideology. You do not blame italians for Nazism - despite italian Fascism being direct predecessor and ideologic inspiration for Nazism. Why blamin germans for it, then?

Why the fuсk not? You have no problems with sympathy to latvians, to ukrainians, to germans. Why, why the hell you DARE TO DENY MY PEOPLE FROM SYMPATHY? - directly asking, WHY? What, a life of russian now worth less than life of anybody else? What, now OUR people who died in one famine with kazakhs and ukrainians deserve less tears over them? What, our people who have not returned from the Second World War deserve less memory than germans and french? Our people who have stood against prosecution and opression have had less suffering than rest?

Why are WE expected to pay for deeds of people of dozens nations, decidions we have not supported, government we not elected, a government WE overthrew?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Soviet_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic#History

Well, LEARN it first - before you dare to put blame on people. LEARN who, what, where and how and when have done, before you BLAME anybody.

 

Can Russians not control; their foul mouths? Lay of the vodka for a while and try to post coherently/

 

With 100 million dead as a result of Russian communism someone should be blamed. It was the greatest catastrophe in the past century and Russia was largely responsible, Learn to live with it.

 

Your ignorance and prejudice is pitiful. Two of those 3 in the books spent years and years in prison in Belgium and the Soviet Union. The other only escaped captivity by the Reds by a narrow margin.

Around where I live, socialists and neo-communists are not allowed to violate our freedom of speech.

It's best people like you stay in your "safe spaces." Snowflakes melt in an open society.

 

Of course they HAD compassion, they were HUMANS. What the hell do you even know of them? About where they come from, their personalities, how and why they got the job? I know they had it, because it is in human nature. There always bad people, and there are always good. You can't have one without the other, you can't guarantee a CHARACTER of a person who you appoint to job or duty.

Shot the youngsters in the back you say? All of them, you assume, are capable of that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_at_the_Berlin_Wall#Deaths

Then why there only two childs shot dead. They died on same day - 14 of March 1966. Five years after wall have been erected.

I know that. I learned that. I know, how many children died on the Berlin's bloody no man's land between the borders, know when, and how they died. Did you knew that before you made this judgement? Did you bothered to learn this information before slapping labels on the people?


Oh, hell no it was not a pleasant job. It was a dirty, ugly work I wouldn't wish on anybody. But among people who you refused to shake hands with - was not a single child murderer. Your judgements are based on false information. Your judgement, that forms your opinion - based on lie. There been horrible things happening there - but YOURS is made up.


They were not brightest, nor the best. They were not elite of the army.

They were not worst or inhuman. They were not criminals.

They were soldiers. Not criminals by default.


And you know what else you didn't knew about them? They were germans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Troops_of_the_German_Democratic_Republic

Not brightest. Nor the best. Not worst. Nor inhuman. Soldiers. Not a child murderers. Germans.




Soviet Union had forces in Germany. My own father during his conscription was stationed in camp Altes near Juterbog. A soviet soldier. A member of occupational force. Real. Flesh and blood - breathing and living with you in same day. Want to know his story from source almost as close as possible?

 

So, you ARE aware of the place and it's story. Then you know how and why children died there, when and how two of them got shot.

You know how it was. How can you not understand then, that these people were not criminals? Not by default. Not by just serving there, not just by being there.