If Mohammad was alive today, and had sex with a kid, would Muslims demand jail time?

If we "turn the other cheek" then Hitler's goons would likely be ruling over us as we speak.

 

wow, that was like pulling teeth.

troubling that it took you soo long

 

so you're not very forgiving

 

You just need to meet some gays, and then you'll realize that god/Jesus got it all wrong by denying them "heaven" and instead sending them to his Auschwitz-like torture chamber known as "hell", just for their sexual orientation. God/Jesus are not very compassionate at all.

 

If they want to take over a democracy, then no, I won't stand by and just accept that.

 

I think we can BOTH condemn violence against children - such as, Ronstar, can you join me in condemning god/Jesus (many verses in the bible say that Jesus IS god) for killing the innocent first-born sons (many just babies) in Egypt in the Bible? I know this is like asking you "can we agree that 2+2=4?", so this should be no problem for you, I'm sure. At last, some agreement between you - perhaps this will start a trend. What say you?

 

They may not be binding, but we can both agree that they are wrong.....correct?

 

I forgive Muslims for choosing Islam (I do want to show them a better way, though)....but Jesus doesn't forgive them as he'll see that they burn, burn, and burn some more. He's steadfastly refused for 2000 years to change that scheme. Day after day after day he (allegedly) sits up their in his exclusive gated community and says "nope, not today - no Muslims up here - burn 'em all, bwahahah!!" We can agree that the savage know as "Jesus" should be condemned for his utter lack of forgiveness, correct Ronstar?

 

lol...irony

 

I'm sure than in 2000 years Jesus, seeing how he's so compassionate and loving and all, would have of course come down and told us that the Bible got that barbaric passage all wrong. I know I would have if I had his alleged super-powers, and I'm pretty sure than even my pet iguana would too - if Fluffy could talk. If not, then Jesus is less caring, less loving, than a reptile.

 

I'd let Muslims into "heaven"....would you, Ronstar?

 

Hardly.

Now even thought tells me not to share Biblical passages with such people...

Matthew 7:6New King James Version (NKJV)
6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces....

I will give you the common perception of Paul's cultural and ceremonial dictates on women "speaking in church."

https://www.gci.org/church/ministry/women9

Paul also told men "not to cover their glory" or wear hats. Well, that's all fine and well in Greece, Israel and Turkey---but if it's 30 below freezing---I'm wearing a hat. Even if it's sunny or not I'll wear one as I please, if I please.

 

No, they were not wrong.

What group of people or government was more superior in terms of morals and civil rights back in Christ's time in the 1st Century AD, or before???

I strive to hold all people to the same moral standard throughout all time.

 

I've lived and worked around gays for years. Just as I have around cheats, liars and all kinds of morally corrupt people.

The Lake of Fire will be their typical fate.

 

You seem about as compassionate as Jesus is.

 

This was actually addressed pretty explicitly early on, and doesn't require all that much interpretation.

In Acts chapter 15, the apostles and elders of the church held a council to determine the answer to this exact question. When they reached an answer, they claimed it had the sanction of the Holy Ghost, so their answer is to be understood as divine counsel and not simply Peter's opinion.

Their proclamation was that it was important to observe the provisions against idol worship, fornication (all sexual sin) and eating blood, and that the rest of the Law had been fulfilled in Christ and "that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God" with the rest of it.

 

Do you consider the Jewish Babylonian Talmud to be a valid basis to determine absolute truth and a belief in Good and Evil?

 

and one who denies any teaching of the Talmud is considered a heretic.

 

If you believe the Yeshua character you have to obey all of the Old Testament laws as well as all of the new commandments he proclaimed.

If you believe guys like Paul then you have to obey all of Paul's rules and toss the Old Testament rules and the ones Yeshua issued.

So basically you can do whatever you want to do since it's all imaginary anyway.

Don't boil a young goat in its mother's milk but stone your disobedient children to death so that you won't be unequally yoked with unbelievers until you become a fool in boasting like Paul was.

 

I have read maybe .00000000000001% of the Talmud.

 

The Talmud, the Koran, and the Book of Mormon are three of the worse written books you can read in the English language. If the Bible was written in that style no one would ever read it. So I can understand why you haven't read it.

 

RE: If Mohammad was alive today, and had sex with a kid, would Muslims demand jail time?

• Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by FreedomSeeker,​

※→ The Wyrd of Gawd,et al,

Well, I think it is pretty obvious that you did not have a very good Rabbi/Rebbi from the way you talk. It is not for you to say who is or is not a "heretic." That is a judgment from the which I think is made by a Jewish Court [one type is called the Rabbinical Court (I've heard it reered to as the "Beth Din")] that serves The Halakha (Jewish law). But there are differing followers of the faith within the greater Jewish world-wide community.

(COMMENT)

It is much more complicated then you might imagine. Problems in the interpretation of these older documents require special knowledge. There are a dozen or so principles in the "Jewish Faith." I am not sure that any observant Jewish leaders (either Rabbi or Ribbi) would even suggest that the current interpretation of Jewish Law condones child abuse.

One more thing: There is a big difference between pledging a child for marriage, the purpose being (as an example) to form an alliance (bond between families) and dowry agreements and exchanges, and carnal knowledge. For heavens sake, don't confuse the two. You will take note that the UN Convention on the Rights of a Child (CRC)(A/RES/44/25) only went into force as International Law in 1990. While the CRC does not prohibit arranged marriages, Article 11 protects the child from illicit transfer and non-return of children abroad; and Article 16 does explicitly extends protection from unlawful attacks on his or her honour and reputation.

• As to the original question Post #1, would Muslims demand jail time? ANSWER: Probably not. → It is unlikely that Muslims would take legal action against the prophet Muhammad (PBUH), or disgrace the center of the new Muslim faith.

Just my thought ...

Most Respectfully,
R

 

That's not what this site plainly says about who is a heretic =

"In many ways, the Gemara clarifies the Mishnah, establishing which halachic opinions are binding, providing derivations for the laws, and teaching moral lessons in the form of homilies and stories. After Rav Ashi passed away in 426 CE, Ravina II, who died in 500 CE, continued the final editing and halachic writing. At that point, the Jewish people accepted that the Babylonian Talmud, composed of the Mishnah and the Gemara, was the final halachic authority. No one could decide any matter contradictory to the Talmud, and all future decisions had to be based on it. To this day, the sine qua non of an observant Jew is his adherence to the Talmud, and one who denies any teaching of the Talmud is considered a heretic."
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2652565/jewish/The-Babylonian-Talmud.htm

As you can see, an observant Jew MUST follow the Talmud without exception or else he's a heretic. That's the standard. There's no wiggle room. You're not a heretic, are you?

 

You hardly know enough about the Bible to impress me.

 

Are you more fearful of witches, demons, ghosts, spirits, devils, evil angels, unicorns, satyrs, or zombies?

Would you rather own a talking snake or a talking donkey?

Have you ever told a tree to uproot itself and to jump into the nearest body of water and have it obey your command?

How do you expect to get into the golden cube called New Jerusalem if you can't pass through one of the twelve gates restricted to the twelve tribes of Israel? Maybe they have a slave gate for the Gentiles.