If Mohammad was alive today, and had sex with a kid, would Muslims demand jail time?

meanwhile you said you love my mother more than I.


which was clear flamebait

 

Let's deal with facts, not just opinions. I realize that, for example, most people's OPINION is that god is real, Jesus is lord, and Mohammad is an ethical prophet of god, and that Moses was a great and ethical man, and that I am completely wrong about these issues...I realize that my belief is a minority, so I'm not going to win on OPINIONS - I understand that the majority is not on my side. So that's why I try to stick mostly with the facts/arguments and not engage in the fallacy of argumentum ad populum.

 

I love, say, my next-door neighbor's mother more than he loves her because I just said the following prayer, and he refuses: "God, please change your ways to allow his mom into heaven and avoid hell if she is ethical but happens to simply choose a different religion than yours."

 

I wasn't just attacking you, but showing you a different ethical standard to aspire to - one that I've embraced as I grew away from religion towards MSH.

 

When you can condemn Muslims for giving their impressionable young children a book that TEACHES WIFE BEATING, and they believe is from the all-knowing, perfect, creator of the entire universe, then I'll have more respect for your opinions.

 

I am sophisticated enough to understand that parts of the Bible and Quran can be understood as representing a backwards, archaic context that are not relevent in today's society.

 

So they were immoral by today's standards, and those "heroes" should be condemned for claiming to be chosen by an all-knowing, all-ethical "god", right?

 

In what "context" is wife-beating acceptable to you (Q4:34)?

 

now you're lying about my comments.

that's very immoral of you.

 

So you condemn Mohammad, and Muslims who approve of Q4:34?

 

most Muslims don't approve of wife beating

 

Ask them: "did Allah get it morally right, or morally wrong, in Q4:34 where he instructed Muslims to beat their wives". Go ahead, ask them.

 

do you support disciplinary spanking of children?

 

Wow - you are trying to equate wife beating with spanking kids.....wow! No I don't support it - the Bible says to beat children and the Bible is wrong (as usual.) Is there ANY atrocity in the Qur'an/Bible that you won't gladly try to defend?

 

there is no difference.

violence is violence is violence.

btw, Secular Humanists seem to believe in Anarchism. does this include you?

 

Anarchism simply means self rule. Much human activity is simply that. You do not steal from the store due to self rule.

 

Secular humanism is a lifestance, or what Council for Secular Humanism founder Paul Kurtz has termed a eupraxsophy: a body of principles suitable for orienting a complete human life. As a secular lifestance, secular humanism incorporates the Enlightenment principle of individualism, which celebrates emancipating the individual from traditional controls by family, church, and state, increasingly empowering each of us to set the terms of his or her own life.

Secular humanists hold that ethics is consequential, to be judged by results. Secular humanists seek to develop and improve their ethical principles by examining the results they yield in the lives of real men and women.

(aka "the ends justify the means")

https://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php/3260

 

You are one of the most dishonest debaters on this forum. You infer that I support pedophillia, yet don't even acknowledge the points that I brought up in my comments. I must I have hit a button however since you replied three times to my one comment.

 

According to the Jewish Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 59a it says = "R. Johanan said: A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death, for it is written, Moses commanded us a law for an inheritance;2 it is our inheritance, not theirs.3"
http://www.halakhah.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_59.html

We know that that statement is consistent with the biblical fairy from the first to the last page.

 

that's how he "debates". BY insulting people.

he even said that he loves my own mother more than I.

 

MSH people are as morally debased as Muslims. However, MSH people have NO moral compass or steadfast laws or guidelines on behavior.

Secular Progressives are the ones behind the movements to sexualize children, lower or eliminated the age of consent, embrace pedophilia, end traditional marriage and destroy Christianity.

 

MSH do not believe in good or evil, and believe morality is based on the end result. all methods used to achieve a desired result are acceptable.

 

We are more ethical because, for example, unlike Jesus who defined marriage as between a man and a woman, MSH defines marriage as between and man and a woman, and a man and a man, and a woman and a woman. Clearly more compassionate than Jesus and Christianity. Too cowardly to add to the Bible, to improve it, to update it, Christians are.

 

Not an anarchist.

 

We believe the Bible/Quran are evil - the Bible teaches that it's ok to beat a slave to death (I can't believe I'm writing this) as long as, get this, the death drags out past a day or two. Incredible. Clearly an evil invisible friend who lives in the sky. Some day Christians will be as ethical as MSH and remove said barbarity from their texts.....some day.