Ukraine removes all 1320 statues of Lenin.

I remind you how it went:


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Sure....thanks to our help)

BTW, how did Afghanistan turn out for you? Lots of your countrymen turned into chopped liver didn't they?

 

Now USA own soldiers die there from USA own weapons.

 

Eh? Hmmmm, We are intact...where SU fell apart from the misadventure in astan.

 

It is all about liberals hating conservatives and weaponizing history

The ignorance of liberals about Civil War history is depressing

 

OK yeah...we have yo-yos with white hoods, people running over others with vehicles, shitkickers bonking others over the heads of others at protests and rallies...what's your point, are you implying it'll tear us apart??? Highly doubtful, everyone's been predicting our demise since Vietnam, hasn't happened, won't.

No neo Nazis in muscovshchyna? No white supremacists (or anyone who doesn't look russki?). No one driving over others in Russia, drunk,sober, otherwise?

You were at your Navalny protests? Nobody cracked you one on the nut? Not yet, anyway, your OMOH, they not headbashers,LOL. You should go to more protests, throw rocks, eggs, etc,get bonked on your capper. That'll be a hint if we don't see you posting here for a while,).

 

We do not have violent demonstrations, riots, molotov cocktails flying and homicidal maniacs driving over crowds. We do not need to throw rocks and eggs like some barbarians to express ourselves. And yes, our police, our OMON, and our national guard are not head bashers indeed. During both major rally waves that year there have been no people injured, and no dead. We had no fights erupting on demonstrations, and had no people going to them with riot shields, torches or in masks on their faces.

Unlike in many other countries lately.

 

From what I read here and elsewhere it is abundantly apparent that ignorance has no ideological bounds Those Liberal guys are no worse than some self styled conservatives who think that the Civil war was about lofty ideals such as states rights and the southern way of life. Some Liberals think that everyone up North loved them some Negroes. Well both sides are wrong on those counts.
It was about slavery, plain and simple.

 

tHe sad truth is that more non Russian ethnic people of the USSR fought and died in Afghanistan than ethnic Russians if you match up percentage of those who fought in Afghanistan versus the percentage levels of Russians in the USSR at that time. If 20,000,000 more Russians had died during WWII the post war map of Europe very likely would have been a much better place. Maybe the USSR would have collapsed by 1960.

 

Why cant it be about more than one issue?

I tell ranting confederate haters that slavey was one issue but there were others

But no one on the left - you for instance - wants to listen to reason cause its too much fun to bash white people living today by attacking their ancestry

 

Shame that Ukraine and other countries of East Europe are represented by such people on this forum.

 

I remind you, I am somewhat leftist. Not very active in any political party, but apparently having such views. Just so you know.

 

I know there are exceptions to everything

 

Oddly enough the situation that we witness these days is an exception in itself. Liberal political movement is not supposed to be so misantropic, agressive and rigid in it's decidions, and definitely not supposed to be so violent in actions.

It is about good of the people, about liberty, freedom of faith and coexistence of people. Way not what today's USA leftists represent, or what represented russian "liberals" in 90th and 2000th. And definitely not whatever were doing these french when burned innocent policemen to crisp this spring.

 

People change

The seeds of liberal intolerance were planted after the vietnam war ended and hippy war protesters moved into academia in large numbers

I dont pretend to know all the angles to that but we are on the 3rd generation of extreme left influence in education counting the vietnam war protesters

and the last one is rewriting what it means to be a liberal

 

Or rather just makes conservatives with different set of values but pretty much classic conservative mindset and tactics, up to snapping into violence once their values system gets challenged.
I may be wrong, but pretty much it feels that way.

No offence to conservatism as politial orientation. When I mean "snapping into violence" I mean the worse side of it, that generally every group of people has. But they do not go violent in the name of change, or take violent path against supression of their ideas by government. They went violent when their views got challenged in attempt of supressing those who opposed them.

So I do not mean that conservatives in any way more violent, I mean that motivation that appears to be behind violent actions of USA leftists rather represents conservative mindset, than liberal one.

 

But you will be. Enjoy your mandatory debt.
Soon every bridge, roadway, water source, natural resource or valuable piece of real estate will belong to an IMF banker

 

i do not bash White people. Why would I bash myself ? Also i am not from "the left". I will say this one more time not that you will listen. The root cause of the civil War was slavery. There may have been other ancillary or sympathetic reason but slavery is what made the SOUTH pull the trigger.

The South relied on slaves as a means of production. It was a labor force that was relatively cheap, plantation owners did not have to negotiate with it, it was essay controlled, and self reproducing as long as the owners allowed and or encourage sex among the slaves. The South viewed slaves as property so the South was afraid that if slavery became unlawful they would loose their property, their means of production. So all BS aside, hell yes slavery was the cause of the civil war.

Any who says other wise is BS ing us. The civil war was not about preserving the Southern way of life whatever BS that was supposed to be. Is some Confederate sympathies going to tell us that the civil war was about preserving the right to eat grits, or hush puppies, or sweat potato pie, or fried chicken?

NO F-ing way. It was about preserving slavery. All other reasons offered are made up BS>

 

The shame is the Putin trolls who lurk here and spread fake news straight from the Kemlin.

 

"Otherwise I might have to recognise that history is not just black and white in colort and that preaching for murder and labelling people as "filth" are wrong things to do."

 

You don't know what you are talking about

Slave owning states fought on both sides of the war.

And 99% of the men who served in the Confederate Army did not own slaves

They fought for their family, their neighbors, and for state rights and their sense of independence

I assure you they didnt suffer the horrors of that war so that rich plantation owners could keep their slaves

 

People who I label as filth are labeled that way not by who they are but by how they behave. The SOVIET RUSSIANS who committed genocide against the minority populations of the USSR are filth not because they are Russian or soviet but because they committed genocide. The Nazi Germans who committed genocide are not filth because they are German but because they committed genocide and they planned to continue to commit genocide by destroying the SLAVIC PEOPLES of eastern Europe so that the Germanic tribes of Nazis could colonize their lands. The Soviet Russians did just that in eastern Ukraine by creating the great famine and nurdering 6,000,000 Ukrainians and replacing Ukrainians with Russians. That is acting like filth GENOCIDAL MANIACS AND MURDERERS ARE FILTH.

 

Majority of soviet leaders were not ethnic russians and not even were born on territory of RSFSR.

 

Are you talking about the initial cadre of Bolsheviks and the head of CHEKA and the the KGB? We know that stalin was not an ethnic Georgian but he behaved so much as a Russian that my dad used to say that Stalin was more Russians than the Russians.

What other Soviet leaders are you talking about? Do not yay to tell me that Krushchov was Ukrainian because that would be a lie. KRUSHCHOV was a Russian who lived in Ukraine. Remember that Russians had been invading Ukrainian lands back as far as the times of the Czars.