Well it's been fun guys. I'm off the Trump train.

From your link:

“We're looking at allowing people to stay here,” he added. “Everybody's on board. They want to do something. We're not talking about amnesty. We're talking about taking care of people."

He basically contradicts himself here. Allowing them to stay is essentially the same thing as amnesty. I don't want them here. They transform formerly great neighborhoods and cities into third world violent hellholes.

Don't forget those people Trump allows to stay even if he doesn't give them citizenship once a Democrat comes in they will give those people citizenship. So either way you will be amnesty regardless just not under his watch but he will be the one who allowed it to happen. Trump messed up here. He messed up big-time.

 

Smartest thing he's said in months, but as he has proven time and time again, his words mean nothing. He'll probably flip flop again later this week.

 

Pretty sure "dreamers" hope of amnesty is finished. New legislation will likely streamline their applications for permanent status, but Trumps not about to bestow instant citizenship.

 

Well, I was wondering what it would take for the GOP & alt right to wake up & turn on trump---
Who knew it would be "helping" people & having compassion---

 

And once they have permanent status what is stopping the next Democrat president from granting them amnesty?

 

I've got an even bigger issue. What if the Wall isn't built? That's STEP ONE. The next Obozo will just stop patrolling and enforcing our borders again. I don't have a problem with giving them a rigorous path to citizenship, similar to what is currently required of everyone else. The clock doesn't start until now. Prior residence in this country counts for zero. You can't heal the wound without closing the gash. Permanently.
Giving them a path to citizenship might make them something other than Democrats..................in fact, most people who had to earn their way in despise free amnesty. It's a fact.

 

The trade off will be immigration law drafted by congress, as prescibed by the constitution, preventing DACA from happening again. Those 800K, the ones without criminal histories are here to stay. Nothing wrong with that if Dems eliminate sanctuary cities, and stop obstructing deportations. The RAISE Act isn't finished, and it's likely to become a key component of the end product.

 

Damn things turned salty quick.

 

too true.

 

Why should anyone have egg on their face?

I can't count the number of times I've heard this betrayal line since Trump has been running. It's been about every 3 or 4 months since he declared his candidacy. There has been some version of "Trump betrayed his voters" and then....it turns out it was a feint all along.

If Trump is betraying his voters, I'll wait until he actually does it, not when the media (who've told me this multiple times and have been wrong) tell me.

 

I don't think that is what's going here. He is working with collectivist, because they are better the assimilated Republicans like Ryan and McConnell. They are just waiting to stab him in the back.

 

We've had our scraps, you and me. I congratulate you on your courage for saying what you did. Often times, it is very difficult for a man to admit he was wrong. You did, and you deserve congratulations for doing so.

 

You mean lied by back tracking on what he campaigned on? Like every president we have seen? I did not vote for him, and this gives me a different perspective on the guy. But of all of his statements, deporting people who grew up here, educated here, is not a promise I would care if he kept. In fact, I would rather he not deport people who were brought here by their illegal parents and who grew up as americans, unless they never learned english and lived in america as mexicans. So I am not bothered by it and think it is the right and humane thing to do. And if he does it, I think better of him.

It is the other promises that can make a difference in the lives of working americans that are important to me. Like reversing globalism which has devastated the ability of working people to stay off of welfare. Like deviating from a foreign policy that spends trillions on perpetual war for perpetual peace, and acting like an evil and dark empire breaking international law whenever we want. These are the issues that directly affect average americans and I would imagine most average americans could not care less if he treated the dreamer kids in a moral and humane manner. In fact, if in him doing this it causes one of his voters to desert ship, I don't have a good impression of anyone who would jump ship for something like this. For compared to most of his promises this one does not affect americans in a negative fashion, and I cannot imagine why it would be important to anyone, except for a bad reason and I will not go there.

Most people did not vote for him to send back the people who came here as kids and grew up in america. They elected him out of economic suffering and no longer being represented in DC, cast aside, and even damaged by globalism. They elected him to bring back living wage jobs, to reindustrialize america, to stop illegal immigration, to change a war mongering foreign policy and to rebuilt our worn out infastructure. I doubt many people will jump ship because he now wants to treat those people in question more humanely and like Reagan might grant some kind of amnesty, IF he builds a wall and enforces immigration law the way it needs to be enforced. It isn't amnesty that is the problem, it would be doing like what happened with reagan when he gave amnesty, but nothing was then done to stop the illegal immigration, thanks to business interests who wanted to profit more by using cheaper illegal labor.

 

Don't gloat! That is the very worst thing you can do. The man admitted he was wrong. He is to be congratulated, not marginalized. The last thing he needs right now is an "I told you so."

Once again, I wish to thank the man for his frankness.

 

Since it is the ideology of others who have turned this nation into the host for banking and business parasites, this is trump's strong point. Based on whims? This is nothing but tribalized partisan rubbish. His beliefs can be found, going back 30 years, on you tube and he has changed little in his economic views. In fact to listen to his campaign speeches, he sounds just like he did years ago when appearing on TV and talking about his beliefs. Not that I expect the people who hate him to be objective, but I am, and it has to be voiced. Or we get nothing but partisan opinion, which is generally not objective.

 

Building the wall is imperative. Trump knows Congress is full of snakes, including some of the GOP. I don't believe he'll make any deal on DACA without the Wall being tied to it. I believe his extending DACA for six months to get Congress off their asses to fund the wall, pass tax reform, and possibly make headway on health care was part of his grand design.
As Mark Twain would say, the death of MAGA has been greatly exaggerated.

 

I was always a Cruz guy and started supporting Trump later in the game. Cruz would never be doing this. He's a solid conservative. He's a patriot. He supports the rule of law.

 

I'll be waiting until the third year of any POTUS Administration of any party before worrying whether I've been lied to or not.

 

Cruz would be in the same situation as trump is now. The establishment would be doing to Cruz what it is doing to Trump now. And Cruz could conceivably be doing unorthodox things like working with the one party that might be more trustworthy at this point. Your anger is misplaced. It should be directed at McConnel and Ryan.

 

This is so funny. You have people who are left of center, who believe in amnesty, but in their hatred, they cannot even be thankful that the feller they hate looks to be giving them something they want. LOL So, obviously this crowd don't really give a damn about their principles, their beliefs, no indeed. They are only interested in the pettiness of hating someone. This man could literally save the life of one of his haters and they would curse him, and hate him even more. This is why I have called this affliction we see in this crowd some sort of mental illness for that is exactly what it looks like.

Apparently the dem voters really could not care less about issues, their beliefs, which obviously they dont have any, and only voted for hillary because she is a woman. That also explains why they continued to voter for a party and people in that party that have not represented them for decades. They just never noticed, given the only issues they were conscious of was whether we were gonna let dirty old men who claim to be female inside, share rest rooms with the real women and little girls. .

 

Trump has put his campaign promises second to Democratic needs, while I support, I don't think people voted for him to do that.

 

Huh? Trump has has 3500 lawsuits and screwed investors, contractors, vendors.. over the past 30 years....

 

are you saying that I am left leaning?

 

Oh no!! You are a rational human being, and obviously do not hate illegals the way trump haters hate trump. LOL I mean, if treating these kids who were brought here as infants and raised in our culture in a humane fashion makes one jump off the trump ship, I think something else is going on besides him breaking that campaign promise.

The GOP have done nothing in what they promised trump right after he took office. This comes from the interview with bannon. So trump decides to try to work with the dems. Perhaps the GOP needs to start delivering on what they promised trump? Instead of trying to get rid of him? You know, to protect their campaign donors from trump's stance on globalism and illegal immigration.