Isn't Equality Ultimately in Women's best Interests?

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  1. ryobi

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    Moreover, there are not as many domestic violence services for men as there are for women:

    From the Journal of Aggression, Conflict and Peace Research

    “This drop in IPV against females and steady rate of violence against males raises an interesting policy question. There are many thousands of support programs, web sites and public-interest media items for female victims of domestic violence (DV), and virtually no programs and only a handful of web sites in the USA for male victims. Perhaps these programs and public education efforts have resulted in males, but not females, getting the message that DV is wrong.”

    “…those that are the core of the DV service system: DV agencies, DV hotlines, and the police. On the one hand, about 25% of men who sought help from DV hotlines were connected with resources that were helpful. On the other hand, nearly 67% of men reported that these DV agencies and hotline were not at all helpful. Many reported being turned away. The qualitative accounts in our research tell a story of male helpseekers who are often doubted, ridiculed, and given false information.”

    In 41.5 percent of the cases where men called the police, the police asked if he wanted his partner arrested; in 21 percent the police refused to arrest the partner, and in 38.7 percent the police said there was nothing they could do and left
    http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=17042186&
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unlike those who just spout of opinions pulled from their nether regions, this is what an actual fact-based linked science article looks like:

    http://www.apa.org/research/action/difference.aspx
    Men and Women: No Big Difference
    Studies show that one's sex has little or no bearing on personality, cognition and leadership.

    The Truth about Gender "Differences"
    Mars-Venus sex differences appear to be as mythical as the Man in the Moon. A 2005 analysis of 46 meta-analyses that were conducted during the last two decades of the 20th century underscores that men and women are basically alike in terms of personality, cognitive ability and leadership. Psychologist Janet Shibley Hyde, PhD, of the University of Wisconsin in Madison, discovered that males and females from childhood to adulthood are more alike than different on most psychological variables, resulting in what she calls a gender similarities hypothesis. Using meta-analytical techniques that revolutionized the study of gender differences starting in the 1980s, she analyzed how prior research assessed the impact of gender on many psychological traits and abilities, including cognitive abilities, verbal and nonverbal communication, aggression, leadership, self-esteem, moral reasoning and motor behaviors.

    Hyde observed that across the dozens of studies, consistent with the gender similarities hypothesis, gender differences had either no or a very small effect on most of the psychological variables examined. Only a few main differences appeared: Compared with women, men could throw farther, were more physically aggressive, masturbated more, and held more positive attitudes about sex in uncommitted relationships.

    Furthermore, Hyde found that gender differences seem to depend on the context in which they were measured. In studies designed to eliminate gender norms, researchers demonstrated that gender roles and social context strongly determined a person's actions. For example, after participants in one experiment were told that they would not be identified as male or female, nor did they wear any identification, none conformed to stereotypes about their sex when given the chance to be aggressive. In fact, they did the opposite of what would be expected - women were more aggressive and men were more passive.

    Finally, Hyde's 2005 report looked into the developmental course of possible gender differences - how any apparent gap may open or close over time. The analysis presented evidence that gender differences fluctuate with age, growing smaller or larger at different times in the life span. This fluctuation indicates again that any differences are not stable.

    Learning Gender-Difference Myths
    Media depictions of men and women as fundamentally "different" appear to perpetuate misconceptions - despite the lack of evidence. The resulting "urban legends" of gender difference can affect men and women at work and at home, as parents and as partners. As an example, workplace studies show that women who go against the caring, nurturing feminine stereotype may pay dearly for it when being hired or evaluated. And when it comes to personal relationships, best-selling books and popular magazines often claim that women and men don't get along because they communicate too differently. Hyde suggests instead that men and women stop talking prematurely because they have been led to believe that they can't change supposedly "innate" sex-based traits.

    Hyde has observed that children also suffer the consequences of exaggerated claims of gender difference -- for example, the widespread belief that boys are better than girls in math. However, according to her meta-analysis, boys and girls perform equally well in math until high school, at which point boys do gain a small advantage. That may not reflect biology as much as social expectations, many psychologists believe. For example, the original Teen Talk Barbie ™, before she was pulled from the market after consumer protest, said, "Math class is tough."

    As a result of stereotyped thinking, mathematically talented elementary-school girls may be overlooked by parents who have lower expectations for a daughter's success in math. Hyde cites prior research showing that parents' expectations of their children's success in math relate strongly to the children's self-confidence and performance.

    Moving Past Myth
    Hyde and her colleagues hope that people use the consistent evidence that males and females are basically alike to alleviate misunderstanding and correct unequal treatment. Hyde is far from alone in her observation that the clear misrepresentation of sex differences, given the lack of evidence, harms men and women of all ages. In a September 2005 press release on her research issued by the American Psychological Association (APA), she said, "The claims [of gender difference] can hurt women's opportunities in the workplace, dissuade couples from trying to resolve conflict and communication problems and cause unnecessary obstacles that hurt children and adolescents' self-esteem."

    Psychologist Diane Halpern, PhD, a professor at Claremont College and past-president (2005) of the American Psychological Association, points out that even where there are patterns of cognitive differences between males and females, "differences are not deficiencies." She continues, "Even when differences are found, we cannot conclude that they are immutable because the continuous interplay of biological and environmental influences can change the size and direction of the effects some time in the future."

    The differences that are supported by the evidence cause concern, she believes, because they are sometimes used to support prejudicial beliefs and discriminatory actions against girls and women. She suggests that anyone reading about gender differences consider whether the size of the differences are large enough to be meaningful, recognize that biological and environmental variables interact and influence one other, and remember that the conclusions that we accept today could change in the future.
     
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    Then Do something about. Quit asking women to fight your battles. Women fought for other women, now men should fight for their rights. After all men are victimized more than women....according to your source. By the way I give little credence to your source
     
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    Considering we work with your children and are responsible for their education and well being? Big deal! And once again, teachers salaries are based on 10 months. Years ago we didn’t get paychecks in July and August but the union divided up over 12 months so that we are not totally broke come September
     
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    You are a victim I suppose....but in her case it paid rather well with benefits. Not all women are downtrodden as you seem to be.
     
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    Your reply is not (Renee quote)...."bullsh**. Men generally aren't programmed to turn in their wives after they embezzle their corporation or financially abuse them. We aren't trained to use the "victim card" when abused. Renee is on a roll calling others that post "bullsh**!
     
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    So you also get two months and all government holidays off so besides getting good benefits, good pay and job security you get a lot of days off ... with pay ... since you can divide the pay in checks for twelve months if you want that is the case for my sister. The only issue is what I see is spending money out of pocket and doing extra work outside of teaching well those are Union issues if you want to be paid for coaching girls basket ball then it should be paid for as hours worked as overtime in your union contracts. That's fair.
     
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    So you don't think men could ever be victims of Domestic Violence, or that women are ENTITLED to beat the everloving **** out of the men in their lives? This is the very definition of what ElRushbo calls a "feminazi".
     
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    Is someone you know being beat up by a woman? Did you call the police?
     
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    Renee said:
    Then Do something about. Quit asking women to fight your battles. Women fought for other women, now men should fight for their rights. After all men are victimized more than women....according to your source. By the way I give little credence to your source




    To take Renee's post (above) and turn and twist it to your ignorant viewpoint is the very definition of dishonest.
     
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    That statement is as prejudiced as claiming women are not held accountable at all.
     
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    This is what the uneducated do. They create a silly strawman and then go off with it. When did I ever say that men cannot be victims of domestic violence? When did I ever say that women are entitled to beat their husbands? But like a good misogynist you call us Feminazis, rRush would be so proud of you. Since you think men are victims of domestic violence in such huge numbers, what are you doing about it? I know women are victims of domestic violence and I have done a lot to help them. I guess you want women to do your work. And we know that men are so much weaker than women physically so of course they end up in hospitals as much as women. (Sarcasm alert)
     
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    What is prejudicial? Do you really believe there is no sexism? Do you really believe women’s looks are not part of who she is and how she is judged? (Like cankles?)A man can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. (Strident) A man can be aggressive with no fear of being called a bitch. ..and I could go in,
     
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    Renee said:
    You keep repeating the same thing over and over about special treatment and yet you don't tell us what all the special treatments areI wonder why not? Or are you saying that the 14 th amendment gave women special rights? I hope that's not what you're saying Men had the vote in every state. Women didn't get the vote till1920! They were powerless



    Which has NOTHING to do with the post you quoted.

    ...and the Democrats and Republicans at that time were NOT the Democrats and republicans of today...and it STILL has NO relevance to the post you quoted.

    YOU just didn't have an intelligent reply.
     
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    The entire feminazi movement is made up of man hating misandrysts. So your typical Leftist drivel is just that, drivel.
     
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    If we are talking about older women then sure they are at a disadvantage but younger women actually have a greater advanantage than young men. Young women are more likely to vote, go through college, get help in various areas and all without having to adopt the disadvatages of being a male like signing up for the draft.
    Because older women have been disadvantaged by an older society and old traditions the overall numbers for women show a disadvantage but I dont think the young men should suffer to make up the difference.
     
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    And its all BS. Splitting the world into male and female and making blanket statements like you are doing is BS.

    If you think a man can be loud and aggressive and it does not bother people, you are wrong. If you think a woman is only judged on looks, then you are wrong. Don't believe the propaganda.
     
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    I only want good looking hot young teachers for my son!
     
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    That’s so cute....wonder why you’re so threatened. .... but who cares. Real men arent afraid of "feminazis" lol
     
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    And if you had daughters You would probably only one hot young studs for her
     
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    Let me guess ....you’re a white guy. I am making generalization, not blanket statements. Men who are loud are not called thrill or strident. We don’t talk about men’s ankles. I can go on with unknowledge white male privilege
     
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    And men don’t have to go through the trauma of pregnancy and childbirth.
    Why Do you say women have an advantage over men because they vote and go through college? Since when can’t men vote will go through college?
     
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    Your definition of "real" men are limpwristed metrosexuals who won't stand up for themselves.
     
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    So true! My only concern is that men are statistically more likely to sexually assault and an attractive male might decrease the ability for my daughter to spot and avoid a preditor. Sex appeal invades so many peoples thoughts attention and creates bias, which is why it is a great tool for advertisement.

    Source: hot babes on nascar magazines
     
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