MSNBC Says AR-15 as a "Military" Rifle. Whats a Mini-14?

Ha ha ha you are correct on both counts. I still have a lever action .22 with a tube fed magazine had since I was 14. It looks like an old fashioned Winchester so I called it my "Winchester" .. so yes if .22 came in center fire and it exploded it would blow out the side because the magazine is held by a rod that has a spring and it is secured by a "bayonet" type slot you twist in. Funny thing is my "Winchester" was made for Sears and Roebuck LOL , I ran the serial number on a web site a few years ago and it points to my "Winchester" was made for Sears by Ruger.... so I rarely fire it but it will go to my oldest granddaughter someday.

 

My 30-30 is a tube fed center fire rifle.

Just sayin.

 

So then you consider the Mini-14 a military rifle?

 

What do you guys get together and study each others responses?

 

Just answer the question. Help us understand what it is that makes one a military rifle and the other a ranch rifle.

 

Yes, that is basically the 19th century design I would think.

 

Ok guys I said this before but no one is listening even me. We are starting to argue over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Look guys the AR15,uses the same caliber and cartridge as the M16.
If you fire with the same ammunition the muzzle velocity will be the same or with a .0000223 % diference LOL ,

Using semi auto ratevof fire both guns should have a muzzle velocity within the tolerance I invented.

Remove the automatic option from the M16 and you sit two groundhogs side by 5 feet apart and shoot one with the AR15 , the other with the M16.

Go examine your two groundhogs and if you are a pretty good shooter both will have died ratty much the same way.

Ok? Sorry one more thing the idiot PITA people will scream at you the sane way for modifying the bodies of the groundhogs whether it was with a AR15 or the M15.

Seriously guys arguing over whether the AR15 vs the M16 is a military weapon is like arguing that a muscle car with a 351 cubic inch engine with automatic transmission is a car but the same bring and model with a 351 cubic inch with a standard transmission Hurst shifter on the floor is not a car. Oh both cars are pinted the same color , Ch0rnobyl Yellow.
Yes of course the four speed on the floor with the Hurst shifter takes more skill to drive but you can get a speeding ticket driving either of the cars at 57 miles an hour in a school zone.

 

Exactly like the 2nd Amendment allows for. Do you live in hurricane country? How do you protect your family and property from looters? With a ball bat?

 

And it's the reason why you can't use anything but round nose ammo in a .30-30. A nose that prevents hitting the primer of the shell immediately in front. It limits the effectiveness of the round!

 

More ignorance from someone that knows nothing and lives in a bubble of willful ignorance!

 

So is a blunderbuss.

 

The .22 does not use a centerfire primer!

YOU STILL CONTINUE TO SHOW YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE ISSUE!

Why do you continue to post when you are absolutely ignorant on the subject at hand?

Rounding the ammo makes it less effective. So a coyote or deer would suffer more when shot. Once again you show you have no compassion at *all*.

 

How would you put an M-1 in a scabbard on a horse? Would you put it behind the seat of a pickup? A .30-06 is pretty much overkill on a coyote and definitely on a prairie dog!

 

Take a look at the bullet sometime. Not the most effective shape on game.

 

Unlike you some of us take the time to read the thread before popping off about something we know nothing about!

 

Your analogy is not appropriate. It's the difference between a car with an automatic shift and one with a manual shift. One makes a good car at the drag strip and the other does not!

The M-16 with a full automatic mode (either full or burst) is different from one with only a semi-automatic mode. One is a military rifle and the other is not!

 

Don't drop it.

 

Is that a general question to everyone or are you targeting that specifically at me. I would prefer that in an open debate we all answer that. Question suggestion ask please ask the question as you did earlier in the post. Suggestion :
"Are you fellow members in favor of banning semi-automatic weapons from civilian use?". We need to stay away from the terms military style weapons or scary weapons or assault weapons or tactical weapons blah blah blah. You are correct that we are in the cesspool of semantics. OMG the most liberal of the anti gun freaks especially the middle aged women think that we equip our military forces with "shot guns" . I had one say to me " you shoot with those guns so I call them shot guns" . It like listening to Idiots On Parade.

Sorry Inam rambling who us you question directed to ?

 

If you are so good with a knife, then why do you need a gun?

 

I cannot help it if you choose to live in a bad part of the country plagued with bad weather and crime. I guess you don't have telephones where you live.

 

Thanks for the intelligent post and explanation.
Let's avoid the term style and speak functions. We are also talking frearms ; rifles, pistols, carbines ( shorter barreled "rifle" looking weapon for the sake of simplicity).
The functional deliniation that we currently have in our country to draw the line between military and civilian weapons is fully automatic fire is military.
That bump stock device almost but not exactly closes the gap for all intents and purposes.

So anything that does not have fully automatic fire function is not military in my book. Based on that definition I will say that civilian weapons should not have fully automatic function.

I do not advocate banning even semiautomatics from civilian use. That would be smart since that would ban the "automatic" shotgun in civilian speak.

I would not be practical to ban semi automatics at this point even if there were legislators stupid enough to try it. There are I believe a ratio of one weapon of done type for each person in the USA so anyone who advocates banning all guns is in the words of Tillerson, a moron.

 

I agree I drive a manual daily I definitely makes your feel more ar one with your truck.