U.N. Votes 151-6 to disavow Israeli ties to Jerusalem :0

No the French and British is correct. They are the ones who started carving up the ME into states of their choice.

Oh this is you answer to why the Palestinians did not have a State. You asked why believing the answer was that they had been offered the chance to run their own country and turned it down.

This is not true which is why I did not think of your answer.

 

As opposed to an Empire? You really want to blame the French and Brits for the turmoil in the ME? Why do you refuse to blame the Ottomans for picking the wrong side in WWI? Heck, why did they get involved in the war in the first place?

Lastly, how do you blame the French and the Brits for Islamic terrorism?

 

Those idiotic Ottomans shouldn't have backed the Kaiser in WWI.

Yes, the Palestinians wanted all or nothing. Look at what they got.

 

I am at a bit of a loss how to answer this. Given that the US supported the Syrian Civil War and that it probably would have been sorted out in a relatively short time with far fewer casualties and destruction if the US and her allies had not, it really does not look like the US did not want a Syrian civil war, just for it to go a different way to which it did. That is the problem just like now, the US starts things without thinking of the consequences. Same with Libya.

Russia has a say in the UN as well. Removing yourself from it will only stop you having to have any affect there. I mentioned the one area where you have got your way supreme, saving Israel. Arguably your little sojourn in Syria was about Israel too and even Libya.

The bottom line is that you are a country which no longer follows International law and are moving towards fascism. Like I said expect other countries alliances to change.

 

It is to do with the current situation. You are from the West. You believe in States. Because the people in that area did not you believe you can just go and take any land you want and create a state on it. You are just acting in the same old colonial way.

Their work did not help and that is particularly where they brought sectarianism and created a Jewish State on land which had already been offered to the arabs. No of course they are not to blame for everything, just what we were talking about.

I am going to leave this now. It is getting too silly and I need to get ready to go out.

 

So, you believe Obama started the Syrian Civil War? Interesting.

That's the point, kiddo. Pull out, let Russia and China run the UN, move on to WWIII.

Disagreed, but a lot of pro-Russian, Pro-Syrian antisemitics complain that the US is a rogue fascist nation which needs to be stopped.

 

How ironic that you think it's the majority of the world who is on the wrong side of history instead of the fringe minority of countries supporting Israel.

 

Alexa, the Ottomans were "west" and had a "state": the Ottoman Empire. You know, like the Roman Empire and, later, the Holy Roman Empire....which wasn't Holy, Roman or an empire, but you catch my drift.

You are free to single out nations, peoples, whatever while ignoring other nations, peoples, whatever, but sensible people recognize that human beings have a long history of being brutal to each other. While we are advancing as a species, we have a long way to go. Most of the problems are in the lesser developed regions of the world. While I'm certain the problems of the ME will eventually be resolved just like the problem in Europe were eventually resolved, we'll be facing war and conflict for another century or two in Africa. That said, singling out a single country or group of countries out of context is wrong. History must be taken in context if it is to be fully understood.

 

Remember that saying "Eat ****; how can ten thousand flies be wrong"?

The fact remains antisemitism is wrong. Launching rockets into homes and markets is wrong. Enticing retarded kids to wear suicide belts and blowing up a bus is wrong. Israel isn't perfect and, lately, some of their actions are troublesome, but this bullshit have been going on for 70 years. Time for a final resolution instead of constantly kicking the can down the road.

 

Israel and its apologists never miss an opportunity to throw out the antisemitism canard. The only problem is that nobody takes it seriously anymore.

Anyway, Israel and its fringe minority of supporters are clearly on the wrong side of history. And it's only going to get worse for Israel as the younger generations come into power. This is mostly due to the internet, which allows people to see past the Israeli propaganda machine and its self-serving "everything is their fault" narrative.

 

Antisemitics always deny their antisemitism even when it's obvious all they do is attack Israel and never, ever say a single bad word about the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah or any other Islamic terrorist group attacking Israel.

 

Like I said, nobody cares about your weak antisemitism canard anymore. It's just desperate BS from someone with no argument.

 

I don't know. There seems to be more and more Holocaust deniers who don't seem to understand the necessity of granting Jews across the globe their own homeland after they've been targeted for extinction by the Nazi's and discriminated against by other governments and ethnicities. That was the decision of the world after WWII. So why, does a single Jewish state the size of New Jersey present such a threat to 49 Muslim majority countries across the globe?

So, whatever your understanding of world history, understand this, this is, was, the Jewish homeland, and it is the only predominantly Jewish nation. It is a democracy that allows people of all faiths and religions and races, even Arabs and even Muslims.

Why don't Muslim nations allow freedom of religion? Why don't they allow their people to vote?

 

Well tell that to the Muslims first. In Israel there is freedom of religion. Plenty of Arab Muslims live in peace in Israel and enjoy full citizenship. In Saudi Arabia you will be imprisoned for practicing another faith.

 

Nice try. Let's see what you think later this year.

 

Agreed. As mentioned earlier, if the Israelis are guilty of genocide, they're doing a lousy job of it.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html
Ethnic groups:
Jewish 74.8% (of which Israel-born 75.6%, Europe/America/Oceania-born 16.6%, Africa-born 4.9%, Asia-born 2.9%), non-Jewish 25.2% (mostly Arab) (2015 est.)

Religions:
Jewish 74.8%, Muslim 17.6%, Christian 2%, Druze 1.6%, other 4% (2015 est.)

 

Europe created nothing. The Jews of Israel created the state. The UK simply abandoned the mandate they had over the state.

 

An accurate accounting of history. If anything, the UN caused the problem even though they also offered the Two-state solution, which the Arabs rejected in favor of war.


http://www.history.com/topics/history-of-israel
THE ZIONISM MOVEMENT
In the late 19th and early 20th century, an organized religious and political movement known as Zionism emerged among Jews.

Zionists wanted to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Massive numbers of Jews immigrated to the ancient holy land and built settlements. Between 1882 and 1903, about 35,000 Jews relocated to Palestine. Another 40,000 settled in the area between 1904 and 1914.

Many Jews living in Europe and elsewhere, fearing persecution during the Nazi reign, found refuge in Palestine and embraced Zionism. After the Holocaust and World War II ended, members of the Zionist movement primarily focused on creating an independent Jewish state.

Arabs in Palestine resisted the Zionism movement, and tensions between the two groups continue. An Arab nationalist movement developed as a result.

ISRAELI INDEPENDENCE
The United Nations approved a plan to partition Palestine into a Jewish and Arab state in 1947, but the Arabs rejected it.

In May 1948, Israel was officially declared an independent state with David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, as the prime minister.

While this historic event seemed to be a victory for Jews, it also marked the beginning of more violence with the Arabs.

1948 ARAB-ISRAELI WAR
Following the announcement of an independent Israel, five Arab nations—Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon—immediately invaded the region in what became known as the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

Civil war broke out throughout all of Israel, but a cease-fire agreement was reached in 1949. As part of the temporary armistice agreement, the West Bank became part of Jordan, and the Gaza Strip became Egyptian territory.

 

This ^^ is why the UN is irrelevant and a waste of US tax payer money. The US should leave this dysfunctional organization and negotiate with nations and groups of nations in the best interest of the US taxpayer. Kick the UN out of New York and use the property there for actual productive purposes.

 

Because there is no state of Palestine. No functioning government in East Jerusalem. Palestine is ruled by Abbas, whose term ended in 2010 and who is opposed by Hamas. Usually a state is created, AND THEN declared and recognized by others. Here there are declarations and recognition of a non existent state they hope to create in the future.

 

Yes, Jews from Europe have been migrating to the region of the Ottoman Empire called Palestine since the late 1800's.

 

"World War I, the British assumed control of Palestine. In November 1917, the British government issued the Balfour Declaration, announcing its intention to facilitate the "establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people." In 1922, the League of Nations granted Britain a mandate over Palestine which included, among other things, provisions calling for the establishment of a Jewish homeland, facilitating Jewish immigration and encouraging Jewish settlement on the land."

"survivors of the Holocaust were violently turned away from the shores of Palestine. The Jewish Agency and the Haganah continued to smuggle Jews into Palestine. Underground cells of Jews, most notably the Irgun and Lehi, engaged in open warfare against the British and their installations.

The British concluded that they could no longer manage Palestine and handed the issue over to the United Nations. On November 29, 1947, after much debate and discussion, the UN recommended the partition of Palestine into two states one Jewish and one Arab. The Jews accepted the UN resolution while the Arabs rejected it."
https://www.adl.org/education/resources/backgrounders/creation-of-the-state-of-israel

 

That is the history which unfortunately very few understand. They think that the WWII allies created the state of Israel by kicking out Palestinians and moving European Jews there after the war.

 

A great idea, but as was pointed out earlier to me, we don't own the land the UN is built upon. OTOH, what we can do is start impounding cars and arresting flagrant offenders for multiple parking and other traffic violations.

 

Probably some Palestinians should think more to build their state than to destroy Israel ...