U.N. Votes 151-6 to disavow Israeli ties to Jerusalem :0

If ever the world were on the wrong side of history this is it. The unifying hatred of the U.N. towards Israel is astounding, and endless. Last year they were named the Number one violator of human rights in the world. They have had more denunciations and resolutions passed against them over the past 50 years than all of arabia and communist tyrannies combined. I also find it shocking how anti-Israel are an overwhelming percentage of our “esteemed” college professors. Who planted this prejudice in them?

There is no point in reiterating facts or arguments to try to change minds. Both sides are adamant, but the truth lies mostly on only one side.

I also believe the world falls in line with the angry anti-Trump messages they are mostly getting from our media. This was a vote against Trump and his wanting to move the US embassy to Jerusalem as well. No doubt. I will not blame Trump if he backs down.


151 UN STATES VOTE TO DISAVOW ISRAELI TIES TO JERUSALEM
BY TOVAH LAZAROFF DECEMBER 1, 2017 10:03

The UN General Assembly voted overwhelmingly to disavow Israeli ties to Jerusalem as part of six anti-Israel resolutions it approved on Thursday in New York. The vote was 151 in favor and 6 against, with nine abstentions.

The resolution came as the Trump Administration was rumored to be actively considering relocating its embassy to Jerusalem.

In New York, only six countries out of 193 UN member states fully supported Israel’s ties Jerusalem: Canada, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, the United States and Israel itself.

The resolution stated that “any actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration on the Holy City of Jerusalem are illegal and therefore null and void and have no validity whatsoever.”

These words fall in line with similar resolutions approved in 2015 and 2016… including the resolution’s omission of the title “Temple Mount,” using instead only the Arabic term for the site, “Haram al-Sharif.”

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/UN-disavows-Israeli-ties-to-Jerusalem-515730

 

Its a good thing the UN is toothless. Now the US just needs to leave that organization and let it finish crumbling.

 

It has nothing to do with being anti-Israel. East Jerusalem simply isn't part of Israel. Therefor it can not be anti-Israeli to voice this. Besides that, it's obvious that Israel scores high on denunciations in the UN. They trash the Geneva conventions every year, article 49. The only article about ethnic cleansing as far as I know. It's a major breach.

Indeed. It's a simple fact that East Jerusalem isn't part of Israel.
There is no argument possible to change this. Fact = fact.

The UN = the world made this resolution last year and the year before that as well. It's in your OP. So Trump has nothing to do with it.

 

Kick the U.N. out of the U.S.A.

Send them to Switzerland or Netherlands.

 

They were the only party since 1900 to abide by all of the edicts and agreements from the League of Nations, the UN, British rule, etc. while all the Arabs did was attack, attack and say no to everything. The Jews have every right to that entire region which was nobody's country or bordered sovereign entity ever, since the Romans dispersed the Jews. Your case for a Palestinian claim as its homeland (and its homeland only) holds no water. As well as the hundreds of thousands of Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese, et al. who poured in after the Jews drained the swamps, grew fertile crops and gave them employment opportunity. There is a ton of your "palestinians" who claim its their land.
"The Arabs would have sat in the dark forever had not the Zionist engineers harnessed the Jordan river for electrification. Now they swarm into Palestine in seeking the light." Winston Churchill, 1922 "A Peace to End All Peace"

Jerusalem has always had a Jewish majority in population since the time of the Romans. Why the world thinks anyone attacked does not annex some land of the aggressors but no one is denying all other nations in history that claim --- save for Israel's 100 year travail. Israel attacked in 5 wars is forever expected to be the good child and give back Johnny his toys. It's insane. Israel gives the Arabs more concessions, ESPECIALLY on the temple mount than any other nation would ever consider to a hostile neighbor.

Maybe you're right, I hope you are. And if the USA had any courage they would move the embassy to Jerusalem.

 

I used to feel that way but I prefer we stay in just so we can constantly undermine them by vetoing all their stupid **** on the security council.

 

Jerusalem has been part of Israel for about 5,000 years.

 

I used to think like that, then learned that the US makes up more than 50% of its operating budget. And the US provides all the military legitimacy.

 

Which means that any large projects don't happen without our blessing. I do think that they need to pay their parking tickets though.

 

The world says no. The entire world. Even he US. And your opinion means zilch. What matter's is the opinion of the all the world leaders representing the entire world.

Ah Winston Churchill, a grotesque racist and a stubborn imperialist.
"I do not admit,” Churchill said “That any great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race has come in and taken its place”

He like Hitler believed in racial hierarchy where genocide is righteous since it means the weaker race looses over the stronger one.

False.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusalem

The OP says I am.

 

Source?

 

'Israel' is Hitler's last child, and should meet his fate.

 

Maps.

 

What an odd thing to say. What does that even mean? Are you a holocaust denier?

 

Who planted this prejudice in them?

Israeli crimes over decades have planted this prejudice in them. A criminal government and state sponsor of terrorism, the many crimes of Israel are blatantly obvious to anybody paying attention to their behavior over many years.

 

They would go bankrupt and dissolve without US financial support and stability.

 

Although I abhor Israel's indifference and inhumanity towards its neighbors, and especially it's support of the genocidal Al Nusra, I can't understand the problem with Jerusalem. As long as Israel gives guarantees that they will respect other faiths, then why shouldn't it be Israel's capital? Islam like Christianity is an Abrahamic faith, and is based on the OT, so how can they detach and separate themselves from their own Jewish heritage and not recognize the Jewish right to Jerusalem. They were there first for heaven's sake.

Anyway this is how I see the problem. Islam is not merely a faith, it is a political entity as well. So since Mohamed superseded Christ... who in their eyes was merely a prophet, Islam has to supersede others politically as well. This is why mosques must always be higher than Christian churches. As an example, when the people in NYC had a problem about building a mosque at the World Trade Center, the Muslims solved it in a very deceptive way. Instead of using the traditional Byzantine architecture and having it noticed, they made it a skyscraper... and by doing so, they raised it above all the churches in the US.

Because of Islam's religious nationalistic feelings, they have to be in leadership positions to prove the superiority of their faith. Muslims have to feel triumphant over other faiths ... something which holds true especially with the Sunnis, who must see even the Shias as being inferior. It is this 'nationalist' mentality that is the key to all the problems in the Middle East.

Wouldn't it stand to reason that if Muslims believe they must reign above others to show the superiority of their faith, then wouldn't they consider anyone who they cannot reign over, as seeing them as being inferior and thereby humiliating them and Islam?

 

The state of Israel has only existed since 1948. I realize this might be breaking news to some, but...

This is an attempt by the UN to denounce the ongoing annexation of East Jerusalem by Israel. Personally, I completely understand Israel's position wrt Jerusalem. It is their "eternal capital" and considering the toothless nonsense the UN keeps crapping out about the evil Israelis and angelic palestinians, they aren't going anywhere any time soon.

 

Funny you would think he's a racist, since his great great grandmother was a native American on his mother's side, and his grandfather was probably Jewish.

Anyway Churchill was just stating facts from his own cultural viewpoint, which has nothing to do with race since all educated British see the culture as being important, and not the race. That many are not able to assimilate, or do not want to assimilate is the problem. Anyway many of the natives are doing quite well with their own laws and gambling casinos.

As for the average Britain, yes, most were racists as were the Americans, but that's part and parcel of Western Europe. Even when the crusaders were bashing people's heads in to get rid of the demons, they looked on the Byzantines who were the most highly educated people in the world, as being below them.

 

I admit I did not have the facts on the demographics of Jerusalem pre-1844 so I do not know the breakout, and given so few reliable sources, if any, over those centuries I am not sure anyone can. But the sources are more reliable from 1844 on and Jews are the majority in Jerusalem.

The much larger point is this: Do Palestinian Arabs have the right to say this was their country, their sovereign country where they had the authority to say who could live there and who could not? The answer is a resounding ‘no.’ And historical sources bear this out. If you really want to know about the history of this land and how the Jews came back and when, etc. this source is one of the best. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-arabs-in-palestine

Yes, the Jewish Virtual Library, but it is an expansive resource that contains the most documented, footnoted and researched reports and articles on that land and on that history. Do not know of anywhere or any time they have been proven wrong in their reports. The Jews are the most persecuted people in history for the most unwarranted reasons. And why is that? Because they are G-d’s chosen people from which He would manifest Himself to the world. The devil’s fury was no greater than towards the Jews, especially because he knew the Savior of mankind would be born of that people as well. So now the U.N. and all these sanctimonious nations in the West are doing the devil’s bidding. Nice.

 

Interesting that you think that indigenous people dont have the "right" to claim any authority over the land they have been living on for a couple thousand years, but hey, everyone is entitled to their own perspective.

Any argument about Israel's legitimacy at this point is entirely academic. It exists thru the blood and courage and chutzpah of its people.

OTOH, the legitimacy of neo-zionist's annexation wet dreams of Israel from river to sea is HIGHLY questionable. The Palestinians are also entitled to their own land. That neither side can dismiss their own culpability and massive contributions to the ongoing clustermuck is not surprising.

Annexation of east jerusalem without quid pro quo is theft.

 

Now Trump should go ahead and move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. Let the UN stew on that.

 

What is even more interesting is that:
1. You completely ignore the indigenous Jews' rights over the land they have been living on for a couple thousand years.
2. You assume that the same group of Arabs have continuously lived for a couple thousand years in Palestine, even though not only there's no proof for such an assumption but there's evidence to the contrary.
3. You assume that a group of people living continuously on a land for a couple thousand years automatically have the right to claim authority over the land, which could lead to Jewish claims over many territories in European countries, the former Pale of Settlement , Iraq, Yemen, Iran...should I continue?

 

Interesting that the vast majority of your type only cites native americans matter as one people moving into another land where others were living. It only happened about 500 times in history since the time of ancient Egypt. And many times in more modern history, but what is that, ha? Plus I am not talking about a more civilized and well defined borders and government times. I am talking about when the known world was a small part of all peoples’ understandings. Exploration was going on and needed to go on in all parts of the world. What a shock. What a crime.

Academic, if no one applies ethics and sensibilities to the matter. I don’t even have the stomach to argue the point any more.

Did you just wake up? Israel could have taken over Arab lands after 5 different wars where they were attacked since 1948. The facts on the ground belie your ‘zionist’ exuberance. The Jews of Israel have been anything but land grabbing monsters. They have been more than willing to concede land, etc. for peace. But don’t let anything like that stop your campaign.

Yeah, sure. Suffer the blind Jesus said. Or was it children?

 

YES. You got it. It's been a crime since 1949. Ya know the Ol' "history" justification is entirely fallacious since using it argues that it's perfectly acceptable to be a pedophile because it was in classical Greece and Rome. Just doesn't wash.

Ethics and sensibilities? You mean Israel's existence is somehow unethical? That if offends your sensibilities? Seriously?

I am well aware of the history of the conflict, in intimate detail as it happens.

You got it bad I see. Are you not aware of "Israel from river to sea"? Are you unaware of one of the founding planks of the Likud platform? (bibby's party btw).

As for Israel's willingness to trade land for peace, that has always been the case. Since day one actually and yet for some reason there was always something else that Israel wasn't willing to do. The arabs of course have been even more disingenuous.

You see its not a binary situation. Both sides are culpable. BOth sides have been intransigent. Both sides have been giagantic ********s.

Glad you recognize the effort.