A challenge to anyone who opposes Medicare for All

Im only opposing mandatory participation in it

 

I know that you are denying reality. You're pretending it can be something it can't. And if you meant what you said you would be a hermit living in the wilderness 30 miles from civilization and actually be independent and self-sufficient.

 

I have facts, and gave links. You have zip. You FAIL.

 

Your "nuh uh", Battle3, is an admission of your failure.

 

www.cihi.ca/en

Read it straight from the source, try not to drown in your tears. No need to apologize for your ignorance.

 

Your tears are your own. You have created a deliberate fallacy of false equivalency. It has been exposed as fake.

It is what it is.

 

Thats the goal. Though Ill still be paying for your healthcare while you accuse me of mooching..

 

Not if you're "living off the land" being self sufficient.

For about 6 posts now you haven't made any sense. Have you noticed that?

 

Cant pay property tax without dollars, cant earn dollars without income tax, cant pay income tax without contributing to healthcare.

Even if I 'live off the land' (which is not what being independent means) I cant avoid your collective. Face it- you're an authoritarian.

 

Face it, modernpaladin: you live in a modern society, and if you are part of it, you will do your share, even if unwillingly, one way or another.

 

People escape from it all in remote Alaska. Your excuses prove the falseness of your position.

 

So who is this "section of the population who has no health insurance"? Is free health care not available for those who can't afford it?

 

Falacious. Time renders that argument void. There is no place on the planet that collectivists dont seek to control. 'Running away' is not a viable escape from The Borg.

 

Do you guys even listen to yourselves? You sound like the damn Daleks.

 

Maduro certainly liked Bernie's ideas enough to endorse him.

 

Not long term quality to end of life care, no: not that you care.

 

You are simply not talking reality.

 

Thank you.

 

Richard The Last said: So who is this "section of the population who has no health insurance"? Is free health care not available for those who can't afford it?

Now we have the string accurately recorded and in context.

 

I don't say anything that isn't backed up by facts.

That's because those things are totally irrelevant, and proves you don't understand the economics of healthcare. You don't even understand Sander's plan.

Sander's plan increase the HI (Medicare) Payroll Tax from 1.45% for employees to 2.2%, and from 1.45% for employer's to 6.2%

None of those issues affects the cost of healthcare.

What the report says -- and which you obviously cannot understand -- is that federal spending would increase by about $2.5 trillion (257.6 percent) in 2017. Federal expenditures would increase by about $32.0 trillion (232.7 percent) between 2017 and 2026.

Medicaid covers it.

 

And thank you again.

 

Now you are welcome.

 

Word of advice don't hold up Medicaid/Medicare as a shining example of singlepayer healthcare. Doctors are dropping Medicare and even more so Medicaid at increasing rates every year.

 

Yet the programs get better.

Weed out the worthless medical providers.

 

No they don't get better. The ONLY way to get decent health care is to do what Canada does and make each state responsible for health care just like each province in Canada is responsible for health care. Medicare and Medicaid are one size fits all federal programs that suck. Why do you think they have to come up with all sort of fixes like Advantage and Medigap and the doc fix bill every single year?

The best medicine is direct pay. You get higher quality care, longer visit time and the cost is half of what it is with government and insurance companies involved. Get rid of the government and insurance companies and you end up with a much better and much more affordable system.