Willard is on his way to the White House

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  1. Battle3

    Battle3 Well-Known Member

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    LOL, if the "left" is the center, then it isn't the left any longer.

    But of course the "left" is not the center, progs just say they are the center because they live in a echo chamber.
     
  2. Natty Bumpo

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    Willard had astutely identified Russia as Enemy Number #1, and the exposure of Putin's successful conspiracy to inflict a Trump presidency on the US confirms it.

    Precisely to what extent Putin's machinations to promote Trump were determinative may never be established.

    if it’s hard to prove anything about Russian interference, it’s equally hard to disprove anything: The interference campaign could easily have had chronic, insidious effects that could be mistaken for background noise but which in the aggregate were enough to swing the election by 0.8 percentage points toward Trump — not a high hurdle to clear because 0.8 points isn’t much at all.​

    Perhaps there are more clever methodologies that one could undertake. For instance, if we knew which states the efforts were concentrated in, we might be able to make a few additional inferences. Maybe some of that information will come to light as the result of Mueller’s probe and further investigative reporting. For the time being, however, we’re still somewhat in the dark.​

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-did-russian-interference-affect-the-2016-election/
     
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    At least you now admit President Obama was an idiot about Russia and Putin lackey. We both can agree we're glad Obama is gone!
     
  4. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Romney is already filling the void in presidential leadership:
    You are very confused. I said nothing concerning the popular former president. Your delusion is entirely your own.
     
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    That is exactly what you said. You cheered Romney for - in your opinion - being right about the Russians being the #1 threat - and you fully know that President Obama, the Democratic Party and most Democrats ridiculed this claiming he was stuck in the 1960s Cold War era - which is exactly where the Democratic Party is now. Your cheering Romney on his view of the Russians equally condemned President Obama.
     
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    So, the players took a knee in honor of the flag and anthem. Interesting.....
     
  7. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Obviously, Willard should not expect to get the diverse, clandestine support from Putin in 2020.
     
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    Not if they really represent all of America. And want to unite instead of divide.
     
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    Spoken like a true liberal partisan
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Many Republicans view Willard, the antithesis of trumpery, as the Party's redemption and salvation:

     
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    Like Bernie did?
     
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    I think Romney had his chance back in 2012. That year he basically bought the nomination by outspending all of his opponents between 5-1 to 10-1 depending on the primary. He was a least weak candidate in a very weak field. Besides, he'll be 73 in 2020. Quite a lot of republicans weren't enthused by Romney's candidacy at all. Obama's supporters showed an energy than Romney's did not. Much like the reverse in the 2016 election where all the energy was on the Trump side vs. a lack of energy shown by Clinton supporters in general.

    From what I see, most Republicans don't want another Romney run. They view him more as a northeastern liberal than an energetic conservative. But then again, Trump won the nomination in 2016 in which his supporters admit that trump wasn't a conservative. But a populist, nationalist or a nativist. So perhaps being a conservative isn't a requirement anymore within the GOP ranks.
     
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    By normal standards, Romney is a conservative. His past stances have been far more consistently conservative than Il Duce's, and recklessly bloating the national debt to hand out political bribes is not in his nature. He is perceived as a model of moral rectitude.

    Trump has created a moral vacuum in his capacity as the GOP's leader, one I have no doubt many Republicans abhor.

    Of course, for Washington pols, survival transcends ethical factors, but If Trump continues to flail about in his ongoing scandals and that reflects upon the November elections, and then Willard establishes himself as a leader in the Senate, he could well be seen as the desperately-needed re-set in 2020.
     
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    The never Trumpers are still alive within the GOP, still around 15%. The avid Trump supporters who will never leave him is roughly 45% of the GOP. I base that on several polls that show 45% give or take a couple of points still view Trump very favorably. The somewhat favorably GOP folks can easily leave Trump, but at the moment they think Trump is better than any Democrat. Very partisan sure, but the same applies to the democratic party also.

    I don't know about the rest of the nation, but Georgia Republicans didn't have all that much use for Romney in 2012. Georgia was one of the states Romney lost in the GOP primaries. Whereas you view him as a conservative, most Georgian's, at least Georgia Republicans didn't.

    I think the reset if one is to occur would be better done by a Kasich or a Rubio. I also don't know that even if the GOP receives a thumping in November that it would affect any of the Trump supporters. Remember Obama lost 63 house and 6 senate seats in 2010 and that didn't even put a dent in the Democratic support of him. The same could hold true for the Republicans and Trump. But whereas most democrats supported Obama, Trump still has the never Trumpers and the somewhat's to worry about.

    Georgians aren't too happy with Trump. His approval rating is down to 37% with 58% disapproval.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/368719-poll-trumps-approval-ratings-in-georgia-erode

    Even so, most Republicans down here would rather have Trump than Clinton or a Democrat. But if a Republican primary was held today, Trump wouldn't win it. So we'll see.
     
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    Didn't he already get rejected once?
     
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    :roflol:Explain. :roflol:
     
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    For the betterment of the country, putting partisan politics aside.
    There are some who think about country before party.
     
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    I bet he gets the sane trump voters. Those that want all of America to improve.
    But he will never get the insane voters. Those who only care about the R party and a small group of Americans.
     
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    And the Democrats have reduced that to, straight, white men phobia.

    As a straight, white man, that leaves me with only the GOP, don't it. ;)
     
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    You idea of unite is for everyone to agree with you
     
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    All trump voters want America to improve

    Thats why they are trump voters

    Romney os milchtoast

    He could not beat obama because he is too soft
     
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    A socialist who brought "Obamacare" to MA.
     
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    Boy did Don buttphuck them, bwa ha ha ha ha ha, "drain the swamp".:roflol:

    https://www.propublica.org/article/...rules-let-lobbyist-help-run-agency-he-lobbied


    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/...s-now-theyre-on-his-transition-team.html?_r=0


    http://time.com/donald-trump-drain-swamp/


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7d93165c6d4_story.html?utm_term=.c6f6ade76246


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...ry-lobbyist-to-hud-transition-team-1480453288


    https://theintercept.com/2017/01/27/coal-doj-trump/


    http://fortune.com/2016/11/16/trump-lobbyists-dc-establishment/


    Another of Don’s Swamp Rats Bails …


    ... just before publication of this New Yorker article. Must be "fake" n ****.


    Icahn’s role was novel. He would be an adviser with a formal title, but he would not receive a salary, and he would not be required to divest himself of any of his holdings, or to make any disclosures about potential conflicts of interest. “Carl Icahn will be advising the President in his individual capacity,” Trump’s transition team asserted.


    In the months after the election, the stock price of CVR, Icahn’s refiner, nearly doubled—a surge that is difficult to explain without acknowledging the appointment of the company’s lead shareholder to a White House position. The rally meant a personal benefit for Icahn, at least on paper, of half a billion dollars. There was an expectation in the market—an expectation created, in part, by Icahn’s own remarks—that, with Trump in the White House and Icahn playing consigliere, the rules were about to change, and not just at the E.P.A. Icahn’s empire ranges across many economic sectors, from energy to pharmaceuticals to auto supplies to mining, and all of them are governed by the types of regulations about which he would now potentially be advising Trump.


    Janet McCabe, who left the E.P.A. in January, and now works at the Environmental Law and Policy Center, told me, “I’m not naïve. People in business try to influence the government. But the job of the government is to serve the American people, not the specific business interests of the President’s friends. To think that you have somebody with that kind of agenda bending the President’s ear is troubling.”


    Conflicts of interest have been a defining trait of the Trump Administration. The President has not only refused to release his tax returns; he has declined to divest from his companies, instead putting them in a trust managed by his children. Questions have emerged about the ongoing business ties of his daughter and son-in-law, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, who, since Trump took office, have reaped nearly two hundred million dollars from the Trump hotel in Washington, D.C., and from other investments. Although Trump promised to “drain the swamp,” he has assembled a Cabinet of ultra-rich Americans, including two billionaires: Betsy DeVos, the Secretary of Education, and Wilbur Ross, the Secretary of Commerce.


    But Icahn is worth more than the Trump family and all the members of the Cabinet combined—and, with no constraint on his license to counsel the President on regulations that might help his businesses, he was poised to become much richer. Robert Weissman, who runs the watchdog group Public Citizen, told me, “This kind of self-enrichment and influence over decision-making by an individual mogul who is simultaneously inside and outside the Administration is unprecedented. In terms of corruption, there’s nothing like it. Maybe ever.” In conversations with me, financiers who have worked with Icahn described his appointment as a kind of corporate raid on Washington. One said, “It’s the cheapest takeover Carl’s ever done.”


    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/28/carl-icahns-failed-raid-on-washington
     
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    ??? Perhaps he could have in 2012...

    Too many now know that Romney is a blue nosed Baboon.
     
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    I see. You are clueless.
     
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