Why More White Men Are Dying From Gun Suicides

I suspect it's a common practice to do so, but if we don't limit the access of those contemplating suicide to tools for hanging/suffocation, are we really doing our due diligence?

 

How can gun control laws prevent people who already have a gun, or can legally buy own a gun, from using a gun to commit suicide?
How many people who committed suicide with a gun did not already have a gun or could legally own a gun?
How many people committed to suicide but cannot legally get a gun give up on killing themselves?
When will you choose to understand that any legal requirement to lock up a firearm violates the US constitution?

 

Given your responses to post #52, you are fully aware of the fact you cannot show thus to be true.

 

When will you choose to understand that CORRELATION DOES NOT PROVE CAUSATION ?

 

I suspect that it is not common practice at all. Liability and malpractice issues come to mind as the reasons why they don't. Notifying relatives that someone is suicidal raises patient confidentiality issues.

However even if it was common for it to happen far too few people have access to mental healthcare. increasing that would probably be more effective at reducing suicides than trying to keep those who are suicidal away from firearms.

 

A quick search showed that there is no mandated reporting required at the federal level, but manyu states do have such a requirement. The mandated reporting tends to outweigh confidentiality restrictions, but not everything related to potential suicide must be reported.

Agreed. We have about 50,000 licensed psychiatrists in the US. This field is the slowest growing MD field, and about half of that 50k will hit retirement age in the next ten years.

 

Nice dodge. You are unable to explain why there would be an association in the first place if gun ownership and the suicide rate are unrelated. Noted.

 

So, you support people having the right to defend themselves from criminal attack with appropriate weapons. Good to see you finally coming around.

Every honest study ever undertaken on the subject; as opposed to the politically motivated, cooked number study that I was dismissing. I'm not wasting my time with you either way. Every time I've supplied you with facts inconvenient to your worldview you squawk "I don't believe it!" so screw it.

 

People are going crazy in this country.

Surely more gun control will make them healthy again.

 

And I've seen too many people brutalized and murdered who didn't have to die, but they refused to take responsibility for the security of themselves and their families.

Nothing is more haunting than standing over the body of a mother curled around her infant son; both dead from the ghastly injuries her estranged husband had inflicted on them with a pickaxe. She'd gotten a restraining order, but refused suggestions she get some kind of defensive weapon to supplement it.

 

If correlation always established a causal effect, there would be no need to establish a causal effect after establishing correlation.

 

None of which would have any impact on firearm-related suicides.

 

Why do you speak of "requirement" with regards to the "vast array of guns" owned by Americans? What kind of restriction would have any effect on suicides?

 

There is no association between legal firearms ownership and suicide. None whatsoever. There is no evidence to show that one who owns a firearm is more likely to commit suicide than one who does not own a firearm. There is no evidence that the decision to purchase a firearm coincides with the desire to commit suicide. There is no evidence to show the two are in any way related. It is nothing more than blind speculation on the part of those who are looking to restrict firearms through whatever means possible, under whatever basis possible.

 

Why should the focus be on whether or not an individual who wishes to end their own existence has access to a firearm? There are a great many ways for one to go about ending their own existence, and the fixation on firearms results in tunnel vision, thus obscuring all other methods from consideration on the part of the healthcare provider and advocates.

 

Those who are actually worried about experiencing pain in their last moments of life are not truly suicidal. Individuals who truly wish to end their own existence do not care about momentary discomfort.

 

As Spade and Bourdain just demonstrated.

 

When and if a gun ban every eliminates guns criminals will manufacture far more powerful guns and other weapons.

Disarming law abiding adults always results in more crime, more guns for criminals and more gun crime.

 

The only explanation that makes sense in this case is that the relationship is causal.

 

Show this to be true.

 

That is not what the study said so you clearly did not bother to read it. Noted. Here it is again:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199208133270705

 

Another senseless diatribe.
Suicide in Japan is off the charts among young people ages 10 - 19, 70 a day, yet no firearms are available, explain that please....

https://www.humanium.org/en/child-suicide-in-japan-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-children/

Child suicide in Japan: the leading cause of death in children
Posted on February 27, 2017 OlivierPosted in Uncategorized


Japan has one of the highest suicide rates. A World Health Organization report shows it is actually 60 per cent higher than the global average (Lu, 2015). The country counts an average of 70 daily suicides and alarmingly children are also affected by this problem (ibid.). Since 2014, suicide has become Japan’s leading cause of death in children aged 10-19 (Oi, 2015) and the rate of child suicide keeps rising despite the decreasing overall suicide rate (Whitman, 2015)!

The main reasons for child suicide are school-related issues such as demanding school work or bullying. These problems lead children to depression. Kenzo Denda, a professor at Hokkaido University, reports that in Japan 1 in 12 primary school students and 1 in 4 secondary school students suffer from depression, which causes many of them to commit suicide (Lu, 2015). We see a spike in suicides in September when children go back to school after the summer holidays; Japanese children are actually more likely to kill themselves on 1st September than on any other day.

 

Because a gun in the hands of someone contemplating suicide is likely to ALWAYS be fatal as opposed to other methods.

Explain why there is the syndrome of "suicide by cop"? How does that occur if the person does not have a firearm?

The tunnel vision only exists for those fixated on their obsession of owning guns while nefariously disparaging the genuine safety concerns of the rest of We the People.

 

There are three methods that are likely to be always fatal: guns, drowning and hanging/suffocation. The last one is the second most lethal by numbers and is the fastest growing method, increasing 88% since 1999.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

 

Don't forget jumping in front of Trains, Trucks, other moving vehicles,
Tall buildings, drowning, sitting in a car with the motor running in a garage.

And again, Countries with very strict gun laws still have high suicide rates.