Trump lashes out against cross border shopping

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course not ... adherents to Eugenics/Biological Determinism ideology do not go around calling themselves Eugenics Adherents :)

    Just like those on the left or right who use Utilitarian justification for law do not call themselves "Utilitarians". Most do not even know that this is the term for the ideology they are using.

    For example - if someone argues "If it saves one life" or "Harm Reduction" as justification for law ... would you know that this was utilitarian justification - congrats if you do but most do not. That does not stop them from using such justifications.
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Then how do you justify your assertion that he is an adherent to eugenics?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you know what Eugenics ideology is ?
     
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    Absolutely. I've just never heard Trump talk about anything to do with it. Have you?
     
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    It ain't, which is the point.

    trump is clueless.
     
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    Then you probably shouldn't have said that Trump was, "lashing out at Canadians who come to the US to spend their hard earned money and then sneak these products back into customs to avoid paying the sales tax" If he wasn't talking about sales tax then why did say "sales tax?"
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    His dad was an adherent and Trump has expressed similar views - race horse theory stuff - genetic superiority and so on.

    If you look at his policies - immigration - drugs - lack of respect for individual liberty and the rule of law - the poor ... and his actions over the years - not paying contractors the last payment knowing it was too much of a pain to sue - his succeed at any cost - ends justify the means beliefs .. and so on.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have you listened to what he said ?
     
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    Only what you provided in your OP. And you said that you didn't mean that he said "sales tax."
     
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    That's assuming he ever had it. He didn't. He is just demonstrating this more clearly as he becomes more desperate to "win" somehow through some negotiation or signing of a document, and of course only makes things worse in the process. He lies like any other politician, but he's also stupid and harmful to the country, if not the world.
     
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    But Canadians do pay the duty on a million dollars in goods or they will likely go to jail. The duty discourages cross border buying. Maybe that was Trump's point?
     
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    It appears Trump may indeed be winning. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-prepare-steel-quotas-tariffs-on-china-others

    I believe the trans shipping of cheap steel from China was Trump's original complaint with Canada. China dumping steel in Canada threatens the steel industries of both Canada and the US.
     
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    Just looks like normal fallout from Trump's America-first tariffs.

    The Canadian government is preparing new measures to prevent a potential flood of steel imports from global producers seeking to avoid U.S. tariffs, according to people familiar with the plans. The Canadian dollar weakened and shares in Stelco Holdings Inc. soared.

    The measures are said to be a combination of quotas and tariffs aimed at certain countries including China, said the people, asking not to be identified because the matter isn’t public. The moves follow similar “safeguard” measures being considered by the European Union aimed at warding off steel that might otherwise have been sent to the U.S. It comes alongside Canadian counter-tariffs on U.S. steel, aluminum and other products set to kick in on July 1.


    In short, Canada and the EU are now preparing to protect their own domestic industries from being flooded by steel that was otherwise going to come here. Not sure how that constitutes a win for Trump, unless we are only focusing on China's ability to export cheap steel and on our domestic production. If domestic steel production is in fact that important, then fine, it's a win in at least that respect. A win among a host of damaging tariffs on US exports and eroded trade relations.
     
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    That is mostly political BS in an attempt to save face.

    The US imports only 2% of its steel directly from China. Meanwhile, China accounts for half of the total of world-wide steel production.

    The rest of the world knows they've been caught with their hands in America's cookie jar.
     
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    As anyone with even half a brain knows that's only part of a the picture. Who is the largest consumer of those products manufactured in South Korea, Vietnam, Philippines and Thailand?
     
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    What does that matter? Do we expect these countries to import our relatively expensively produced steel shipped from across the Pacific? It makes sense for them to import Chinese steel, no matter where the goods they manufacture with the stuff are sold.
     
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    I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but Spanky already did a deal with S. Korea. He gave them tariff relief in exchange for them raising the limit on the number of US cars they let in before they add tariffs. You remember the one where they agreed to raise the limit from 25,000 to 50,000 when they only by 10,000? :applause:
    But having said that his comment was that Canada was dumping. I would say that would be difficult since they don't buy much.

    If Vietnam, Philippines and Thailand are dumping it must not be much.

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    Aren't certain people genetically predisposed in a way that gives them an advantage?

    If I look at his policies? What about his policies on immigration and drugs? And how does he have a lack of respect for individual liberty, the rule of law and the poor?

    What was this story? I don't understand how by paying a contractor, he could have sued them.
     
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    Yep, One's "accident of birth" can give individuals "advantages" as well as disabilities. Ahh, the wonders of recombinant DNA.

    Guess you weren't paying attention to his "budget" and I'd say "kidnapping people's children and absuing them in the process" kinda definitively supports the comment.


    No. He stiffed contractors for the final payment because they'd have to sue him to get it. The hassle and expense of trying to collect from the piker wasn't worth it to many small time guys. Either way, he'd either be ahead the final payment or he'd cough up before adjudication. It was a well know tactic of his - one of his way of "winning".
     
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    Canadian tariffs on July 1st and a new Mexican hard liner President.
    NAFTA is good for the rest of this year. What could go wrong?
     
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    But I'm guessing that you wouldn't call yourself a proponent of eugenics, right? This is what the poster that I was replying to was saying Trump was.

    Why do you refer to his budget?

    Where would you put the kids? In detention with their parents?
     
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    Sure, but why would border buying be bad for the US?
     
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    It's not.
    Trump just didn't know what he was talking about.
     
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    Well the stock market for one. And retail prices across the continent.
     

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