Study: More victims when a semiautomatic rifle is used in a mass shooting

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    you just don't understand your pathetic responses only accentuate how silly your fails have been. you were got changing the goal posts-it was obvious to everyone else, and rather give up on your attempt to dishonestly try to refute a fact that is undeniable, you engage in additional subterfuge by pretending semi autos=semi auto rifles
     
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    Please, you were caught using a modified version of the old BS claim that more people are killed by baseball bats, then firearms. I'm sure some strip joint will hire you as a between the act comedian.

     
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    And yet firearms were not being discussed in a broad, general, all-inclusive term. Rather it was semi-automatic rifles, and semi-automatic rifles exclusively, not anything else.

    Even allowing for the inclusion of all firearms that are classified as rifles, regardless of type, they are one of the least used firearms in the commission of murders, with blunt and bladed implements yielding far greater numbers.
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    The whole point of a firearm is to be lethal.
    Yay! I hope they are.
     
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    Criminals committing murder 100%
     
  6. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    Thus, they should be strictly regulated in order to minimize the danger they pose to the general public.
     
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  7. Galileo

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    "Recently, my CNN colleague Mel Robbins made a startling point. Robbins was on 'Legal View' to discuss the case of an 11-year-old who shot and killed an 8-year-old neighbor when host Ashleigh Banfield noted that 10,000 children are killed or injured by guns every year. Robbins was taken aback by the statistic. Then Robbins pointed out that when the government found out that a certain type of crib resulted in 32 children dying over 10 years, what did the government do about the cribs? 'Outlawed them,' she said. But 10,000 kids die or get injured because of guns every single year and we can't pass even the most measly common sense safety laws?....

    "In 2000, when Ford-Firestone tires were linked to 250 deaths and 3,000 injuries, not only were recalls initiated but Congress enacted tougher laws to strengthen highway safety regulations. In the wake of the Toyota accelerator scandal, which resulted in a settlement of $1.2 billion by the automaker to avoid prosecution for knowingly putting faulty cars on the market, legislation to further regulate auto safety stalled. But in the case of the Toyota accelerators, 89 people died over 10 years.

    "In 2007, the Consumer Product Safety Commission recalled almost 1 million Easy-Bake Ovens because children's fingers were being caught in the opening of the toy and in some cases, children were being burned.

    "Also in 2007, the government ordered the recall of 1.5 million Thomas & Friends wooden train toys made by RC2 Corp. and manufactured in China. The toys were found to contain excessive levels of lead in their paint....

    "We take far greater precautions to protect handfuls of children from toys and window cords and cribs. Shouldn't we take even the most modest, common sense steps to protect children — and all of us — from deadly guns?"
    https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/opinions/kohn-gun-safety/index.html

    Most people seem to agree that's it is okay to more strictly regulate other types of dangerous products in order to save lives. It's too bad some people don't prioritize human life when it comes to guns.
     
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    I am unable to pull that story up so going by memory where I saw it elsewhere. The study actually says that the death rate was about the same per victim no matter what gun was used, it was just that with semi-auto weapons you get more victims. So, the talking point of a semi-auto rifle being so much more deadly didn't appear to be true.
     
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    Yay!, .........no.
    The danger is minimal statistically
     
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    They already are. However regulations are meaningless when they are violated by those who simply do not care. More efforts at further regulation will not change such.
     
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    Unlike all other products available for sale and ownership on the private market, firearms are meant for the express purpose of being lethal weapons. As has been said by yourself, items such as motor vehicles that multiple uses, but the only purpose of a firearm is to be lethal. It is not physically possible for a lethal implement to be subject to consumer product safety requirements like any other item they may be compared to. Such is no different than demanding that a knife be sold to the public with no edge, no point, and no beveling Or for rat poison to be nontoxic and safe to eat. It simply does not and cannot be made to work that way.
     
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    Yet another silly thread that ignores the real problem, idiots that want to kill lots of innocent people. That's the real problem, but gun grabbers don't seem to care about those people, they want to focus on inanimate objects instead.
     
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    made even sillier by a GCA who engaged in laughable dishonesty
     
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    False binary logic. It's like arguing passengers shouldn't be checked for certain inanimate objects such as guns and bombs before boarding a plane and instead we should focus on terrorists who want to kill many people.
     
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    wrong-its already illegal to use rifles to improperly harm others-you want laws that prevent people who have never been adjudicated a threat to others from being able to own these firearms and then pretend it is to keep those who already commit serious felonies by merely possessing said rifles from getting them.
     
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    Seem to be a more common malady than a common cold.
     
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    Not really, because terrorism and planes are a very specific threat in a tightly confined space. A private company has the right to restrict access. In the case of guns and daily murders and whatnot, you are talking about restricting actual rights for no other reason than a fear of inanimate objects, there is no logic behind your arguments...
     
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    Let's see some evidence then that more people are killed by baseball bats OR a golf club than a semi auto rifle.
     
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    as always, you are a more than willing participant in a long term disinformation campaign with the ultimate goal of banning almost all firearms , so almost nothing you say is credible , the bedrock for your beliefs and 'data' is fundamentally a fraud

    Assault Weapons and Accessories in America
    Conclusion

    http://vpc.org/publications/assault...eapons-and-accessories-in-america-conclusion/

    The First "Assault Weapon": Banning Guns Based on "Style" Rather than Function
    https://reason.com/volokh/2018/03/05/the-first-assault-weapon-banning-guns-ba
     
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    why didn't you look for the FACTS Before I had to school you on your deliberate attempt to interchange firearms with SEMI AUTO RIFLES. Here you go

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls


    all rifles<blunt objects

    all rifles include semi autos, bolt action, pump action, lever action and single shot
     
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    I don't see where it says anywhere that more people are killed by baseball bats than semi-auto rifles? Guess I win.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

    ^^^ nothing about baseball bats

    plus you have firearms not stated:
    Firearms, type not stated 1,769
    1,956
    2,024
    2,502
    3,077

    You're too easy.
     
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    you cannot prove your claim-why do you continually and dishonestly misrepresent what I said-and smart people understand "baseball bats and golf clubs is shorthand for blunt impact weapons. RIFLES OF ALL TYPES are used in less murders than blunt impact weapons

     
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    Ha ha, BS.
     
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    Time for Turtledude to say, "Oops."
     
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    How many people did Whitman kill with a bolt action rifle.

    As for a rifle being more lethal: duh.
     

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