No way Kavanaigh is getting confirmed without an FBI investigation.

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  1. JakeStarkey

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    K does not have the rights that an accused would have in a courtroom.
     
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    The members of the Senate are free to vote however they choose. They can vote for or against for any reason or no reason. That is the system we have.

    All in all, I like our system.
     
  3. JakeStarkey

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    The only change I would make is that SCOTUS judges can serve one twelve-year term.
     
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    Demeanor means absolutely nothing.

    Again, explain how Ford qualifies as credible, when she cannot give a date, an address, or even tell how she got to the scene of the incident in question to begin with.
     
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    In fact it does mean such. Her own testimony indicates that she remembers absolutely nothing of the incident except for the name Brett Kavanaugh.

    "Many" is not a scientifically meaningful term, and does not mean anything of substance. There are those who can attest to remembering every single detail experienced at the time of trauma. Why should those who cannot remember various circumstances be believed, when there are those who can indeed remember various circumstances? If the circumstances themselves cannot be remembered, how can the name be remembered?
     
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    Again, she may have been the object of a sexual attack by a drunken person, and the trauma of it has affected her memory.
     
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    So you believe those who can attest and don't believe those who can't attest to every single detail. Are we talking scientific terms? She only remembers the name Bret Kavanaugh? Um...which hearing were you watching?
     
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    Background checks are not a thorough investigation and we are not getting one in this case. Trump is once again ************ the American public. Only the flock will succumb to his shenanigans. Why waste the time?
     
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    Maybe a little longer than 12 years.
     
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    So, if I came forward and labeled you a sexual offender, it would be time for the FBI and media to destroy your life, because 1 is more than zero, right?
    We're dealing with a virtual mass hysteria that revolves around making charges- that can't be verified, but also serve as a weapon for evil people.

    And before you go off on a rant- note that I was a molested child at age 10. Not pawed, but totally molested three times. I'm not unaware of what is right and wrong here- but there MUST be a balance where judgment is not a lynch-mob driven by political motivations and hate. I would hope you are wise enough to realize that is what is happening here.
     
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    I was serially molested by multiple women teachers at Age 15 at my Catholic Prep School.

    They were all nuns. I am severely traumatized as a sexual assault survivor.

    Seriously. Prove me wrong.

    I feel your pain.:salute:
     
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    Why waste time trashing a good man and turning the function of government into a circus for cheap political reasons?

    Trump has nothing to do with this.
    The FBI has already stated it cannot do an investigation due to lack of any federal crime.
    The Maryland investigators (who would have jurisdiction) say they will IF a crime is reported.
    Trump has no objection, even recommended the FBI do an investigation anyway.

    The real crime here would be the democratic scam that is behind it all. That definitely is criminal.
    Read the Congressional ethics manual, their oath of office, and the laws of Fiduciary duty- all violated by this BS.
     
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    Prove you wrong? That seems to call for corroboration, because you have to prove the positive, not the negative. I have it, do you? If so, then you have a case.
    And, I don't doubt you- It would seem entirely possible. There are so many cases of violations by the priests, I have no doubt that some of the other gender participated.
     
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    Why waste the time investigating a sexual attack if the investigation is suppressed by Trump? Is he really a good man? He has shown that
    he is not fair-minded when he made partisan accusations. He has not been truthful with his testimony. Look to the Republican committee members for cheap political reasons. Of course, the FBI can investigate this.
     
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    I may be out of my element here, but have either of you considered confronting that priest when you got old enough, or as adults?
     
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    All of those Ford named as being witnesses, as being present, have stated under oath that the incident in question did not happen, or that they were not there as Ford is claiming that they were. Ford herself cannot remember any pertinent details relating to the incident, such as where it occurred, how she got there, who she attended the party with, or even the date of the attack. There is nothing credible about her claims.
     
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    Is it possible that these people don't want to get involved after all these years and for whatever reason? An unfettered investigation
    might jar their memories. That is not what Trump authorized and is now a waste of time.
     
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    I believe you are confusing our Congressional proceedings with the Spanish Inquisition. Where you get the idea you give up your rights in a Senate investigation is beyond me.
     
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    That a person subject to a Congressional investigation which can result in criminal charges must give up their rights, has no due process, cannot present evidence is just amazing
     
  20. JakeStarkey

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    spiritgide and others' narratives and not believable.

    Dr. Ford's tale is believable and heart breaking.
     
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    What needs to be unfettered about these accusations that has not be unfettered? Two witnesses I believe has publicly said the will fully cooperate with the FBI and be questioned. We know Kavanaugh will he already has six times. Has Ford said she is willing to be question?
     
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    He has had six background checks.

    Those are not FBI investigation such as going on about him right now.
     
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    What makes her tale believable over Kavanaugh and her own alleged witnesses and lack of any other corroboration or forensic evidence?

    I could tell a tale that would 100% believable too but that doesn't make it true. Believable and true are two entirely different matters.
     
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    Correct that four of them are MUCH more extensive. Two were like this just a background check. All the FBI is going to do and take the witness statements. They aren't going to "prove" anything and come to any conclusion about anything. They are not even there to investigate the veracity of his testimony. If one of the members believes her perjured himself they would have to file charge in the Congress and Congress would investigate.
     
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    No. Background checks are not the same as unfettered investigations.
     
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