How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

The point is really that people have the opinion that unborn lives are human and therefore killing them should be murder. Try your best to go back to your cow analogy!

 

DUH, because abortion SHOULD be , should REMAIN, a legal medical procedure...

...whatever...

 

A human fetus is human.

A human liver is human, neither are A human and both can be removed without it being murder.

 

Microscopic

 

It is a POTENTIAL CHILD..like an acorn is a POTENTIAL tree

 

And people should not be allowed to throw away acorns because they should be charged wi5 destroying a forest

 

You may have any opinion you like. But you are in the same group that has the opinion that meat is murder. Both opinions are currently not factually correct

 

I have not heard of someone (besides maybe PETA or loopy vegans) saying meat is murder but have myself stated a cow is more cognative than a human fetus.

 

What do you mean they aren't "factually correct?"

 

So then why was he convicted of homicide when he killed his unborn son?

 

Why did you make that statement when you first said it?

 

Because it is True.

 

Yes, but in what context did you say it?

 

In the context of an Abortion debate (maybe with you) and someone saying a fetus is a baby. I think I may have even posted this:
"
Every one of us began from a dot. A fertilized egg is roughly the size of the period at the end of this sentence. The momentous meeting of sperm and egg generally occurs in one of the two fallopian tubes. One cell becomes two, two become four, and so on—an exponentiation of base-2 arithmetic. By the tenth day the fertilized egg has become a kind of hollow sphere wandering off to another realm: the womb. It destroys tissue in its path. It sucks blood from capillaries. It bathes itself in maternal blood, from which it extracts oxygen and nutrients. It establishes itself as a kind of parasite on the walls of the uterus.

• By the third week, around the time of the first missed menstrual period, the forming embryo is about 2 millimeters long and is developing various body parts. Only at this stage does it begin to be dependent on a rudimentary placenta. It looks a little like a segmented worm.
  

• By the end of the fourth week, it's about 5 millimeters (about 1/5 inch) long. It's recognizable now as a vertebrate, its tube-shaped heart is beginning to beat, something like the gill arches of a fish or an amphibian become conspicuous, and there is a pronounced tail. It looks rather like a newt or a tadpole. This is the end of the first month after conception.
  

• By the fifth week, the gross divisions of the brain can be distinguished. What will later develop into eyes are apparent, and little buds appear—on their way to becoming arms and legs.
  

• By the sixth week, the embryo is 13 millimeteres (about ½ inch) long. The eyes are still on the side of the head, as in most animals, and the reptilian face has connected slits where the mouth and nose eventually will be.
  

• By the end of the seventh week, the tail is almost gone, and sexual characteristics can be discerned (although both sexes look female). The face is mammalian but somewhat piglike.
  

• By the end of the eighth week, the face resembles that of a primate but is still not quite human. Most of the human body parts are present in their essentials. Some lower brain anatomy is well-developed. The fetus shows some reflex response to delicate stimulation.
  

• By the tenth week, the face has an unmistakably human cast. It is beginning to be possible to distinguish males from females. Nails and major bone structures are not apparent until the third month.
  

• By the fourth month, you can tell the face of one fetus from that of another. Quickening is most commonly felt in the fifth month. The bronchioles of the lungs do not begin developing until approximately the sixth month, the alveoli still later.
  So, if only a person can be murdered, when does the fetus attain personhood? When its face becomes distinctly human, near the end of the first trimester? When the fetus becomes responsive to stimuli--again, at the end of the first trimester? When it becomes active enough to be felt as quickening, typically in the middle of the second trimester? When the lungs have reached a stage of development sufficient that the fetus might, just conceivably, be able to breathe on its own in the outside air?
  
  The trouble with these particular developmental milestones is not just that they're arbitrary. More troubling is the fact that none of them involves uniquely human characteristics--apart from the superficial matter of facial appearance. All animals respond to stimuli and move of their own volition. Large numbers are able to breathe. But that doesn't stop us from slaughtering them by the billions. Reflexes and motion are not what make us human.
  
  Other animals have advantages over us--in speed, strength, endurance, climbing or burrowing skills, camouflage, sight or smell or hearing, mastery of the air or water. Our one great advantage, the secret of our success, is thought--characteristically human thought. We are able to think things through, imagine events yet to occur, figure things out. That's how we invented agriculture and civilization. Thought is our blessing and our curse, and it makes us who we are.
  
  Thinking occurs, of course, in the brain--principally in the top layers of the convoluted "gray matter" called the cerebral cortex. The roughly 100 billion neurons in the brain constitute the material basis of thought. The neurons are connected to each other, and their linkups play a major role in what we experience as thinking. But large-scale linking up of neurons doesn't begin until the 24th to 27th week of pregnancy--the sixth month.
  
  By placing harmless electrodes on a subject's head, scientists can measure the electrical activity produced by the network of neurons inside the skull. Different kinds of mental activity show different kinds of brain waves. But brain waves with regular patterns typical of adult human brains do not appear in the fetus until about the 30th week of pregnancy--near the beginning of the third trimester. Fetuses younger than this--however alive and active they may be--lack the necessary brain architecture. They cannot yet think. "
  http://www.2think.org/science_abortion.shtml
  
  

 

And how did cows come into the picture?

 

It could have been Dogs, Pigs, Birds....whatever.

Why do you ask such irrelevant questions?

 

Okay, but if it wasn't included in the health system, but at the same time it wasn't illegal if a woman does it by herself, then what is the problem? Wouldn't they still be able to have abortions? After all, you said:

Removed from what?

 

And therefore of more value?

 

Perhaps....depending on context. The question is however loaded and irrelevant to the discussion. Emotional arguments are typical from those playing the pro-Life side (pro birth as they do not seem to care what happens once it becomes a baby) and are used to distract from actual debate. The point of using the cognition statement was to point out that the ZEF was not developed enough to think or feel and the mother is.

 

In what context is a cow of more value than a human life?

Loaded? Yes. Difficult for you to grapple with? Maybe. Irrelevant? NO!

How do they "not seem to care what happens once it becomes a baby?"

Yeah alright, I can accept that.

 

I'm glad you agree, Now think about what SHE goes through.

 

What situation is "SHE" in?

 

Quite so. The right of self-determination is the ultimate human right, and should be of no concern to any other human being. End of. (as they say!)

 

Yes, women have always had abortions and always will but they should be legal since then they are easier to obtain and safer....

That can't be a serious question...….