Breaking - Gunman opens fire during college event at California bar - At Least 12 Dead

Post 82 "Try to focus...........THIS suspect"

 

Found on shooter's social media:

hmm. interesting. that mocking narrative is commonly seen coming from leftist gun-grabbers...

 

Yeah, you're trying the Bill Clinton defense.

You know, if you wanted to be clear, you could always link to exactly what you're talking about.

I'll help you out.

So this is your example of PF members defending that particular cop shooting that particular guy in the back?

Got any other "good" examples?

All I see are questions in his post.

 

I am glad you educated yourself for next time. Reminds me of the group that got tricked into arguing to ban assault clips.

That was my question to you.

All you got is cheap insults. I am not ducking; just pointing out that your "solution" was weaker than the laws already in place where this tragedy occurred. Are you suggesting we expand what didn't work?

So where are these people who want violent felons to legally purchase firearms? I have never met an "unrestricted gun access" advocate.

This was also in CA. The gun store employee reported the suspicious purchase to the authorities. This was during the bullet button law.

 

oh look, here's one of their NPCs parroting the mocking narrative now:

 

Such as motor vehicles, like the one used in the city of Nice in the nation of France?

And yet they are still available for ownership to anyone who has the money. More than that, new production grenades, grenade launchers, and even rocket propelled grenades, can still be purchased by the general public if the proper paperwork is in order.

 

Here's video of another NPC gun-grabber (Chris Matthews) who wants the phrase "thoughts and prayers" outlawed. (totalitarian much, Chris?)

looks more and more like the Thousand Oaks shooter might be a leftist gun-grabber.

 

Then cite the law. Show the legal precedent, not simply for firearms, but for any and all constitutional rights where registration is a requirement for the right to be exercised in a lawful manner.

Until such time the united state supreme court rules such, these registrations are not constitutional. They are merely presumptively lawful at the moment.

That exists exclusively for the purpose of taxation, not for matters of safety. Every time a fully-automatic firearm is transferred to a new owner, the federal government is paid a tax of two hundred dollars. They do not care who the firearm goes to just so long as they collect the tax for the transfer.

Except it is quite pertinent. What if the government refuses to allow the registration to occur, thus stating by default that an individual cannot legally exercise their constitutional rights? It was already done once by the district of columbia for over thirty years, so it is not a development that is unheard of.

 

What, you mean the only answer being to shoot him in the back 8 times because you don't know if he was unarmed. So clearly you agree with shooting a fleeing suspect in the back just in case the suspect is armed

 

No.

These are all valid questions leading back to @Bluesguy 's original question:

What you DO NOT have, in any of these threads about this person getting shot, are people saying that (once all the facts were known in this particular case) he made the correct decision in shooting him.

What you have are "in general" types of questions about the case, that simply highlight the complexities involved in apprehending and/or shooting a fleeing suspect.

That's all you have here.

 

Though info hasn't been officially released by LE, from interviews from those who were there, the shooter a Marine Corps veteran (Corporal E-4) machine gun section leader who did at least one combat tour of duty in Afghanistan...witnesses said the shooter looked professionaland knew what he was doing.

Unlike most other mass shooters who fired multi rounds into a beaten zone hoping to hit something. The shooter Long has a extremely high kill rate. 12 hits with 11 dead and one wounded.

The 24 reported injuries all occurred while trying to escape from the Borderline Bar and Grill. None were wounded by a pistol round except for the one who was wounded by the shooter.

Obvious Long had some combat pistol marksmanship training while serving in the Corps, making all hits every time he fired his pistol.

Long also chose the man stopper, the .pistol chambered for the 45 ACP.

Unlike pea shooters that are chambered for the 9mm parabellum and require multi shots and hits to kill, one or two .45 ACP rounds gets the job done.
A six shot .357 magnum revolver can accomplish the same thing as a .45 pistol.

So what needs to be answered., what caused Long to snap ?

This mass shooting happened less than 24 hours after the midterm elections in California. Prop. 6 was defeated by low information voters and another liberal loon was again elected as Governor.

 

Yeah but that doesn't explain his target. Why would he go after a block of voters that are the most conservative in the state?

 

No "in general". - "Try to focus...........THIS suspect"

 

Leftist gun-grabber Chris Cuomo: 'saying "thoughts and prayers" mocks the victims...'

Leftist gun-grabber Chris Matthews: “Thoughts and prayers … I’m sorry, but that should be outlawed...”

Thousand Oaks shooter: “I hope people call me insane… (laughing emojis).. wouldn’t that just be a big ball of irony? Yeah.. I’m insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is ‘hopes and prayers’.. or ‘keep you in my thoughts’… every time… and wonder why these keep happening…”

yep, ladies and gentlemen, I'm calling it... we have an insane leftist gun-grabber making his final statement by shooting up 'redneck gun-humpers' in a bar on "country" (read: "redneck gun-humper") night.

 

Let me help you again.

Please point to where this poster said the police officer made the right decision shooting him in the back.

 

Sorry I'm not going back 2 years to rehash a thread there are ample current topics.

 

You were used as an example of "someone who defended the police officer that shot the guy in the back".

I linked directly to your old quote because the person who was using it against you didn't want you to notice.

 

Strict registrations.

This means that you have to register every firearm you purchase with ATF/FBI and every local law enforcement services. To sell a gun, both the seller and the buyer must go to a government office and transfer the ownership, just like we do for cars here. Once per years owner must renew their registrations for every weapons they own. The owner is also responsible to securely store is weapons. Failure to do so resulting in theft would be considered criminal negligence. If an owner transfer, sells or trade a weapon without going through the process and said weapon is later used in a crime, that person will be considered an accomplice in said crime at worst and criminal negligence at best.

Authorities can at anytime ask for a mental health evaluation at the time of renewing registration, just like the office responsible for delivering driver permits and car registration can ask for a medical evaluation before renewing/issuing a license.

 

How will this prevent anything?
CA already requires the registration of firearms -- why did that not stop this shooting?

This violates the Constitution, and has done so since 2008.

Only if you change the definition of "accomplice", which requires that the accused know about the crime.

Wow. Its almost as if you've never heard of due process.

 

The bar was full of college students and even though the two colleges in the area are somewhat conservative like Pepperdine, the students are more than likely millennial snowflakes who have been indoctrinated during their entire lives in cultural marxism.

Except for Paddock in Las Vegas who did target a country rock event full of Trump supporters and the Islamist jihadist terrorist attack at the gay bar in Florida, all of the other mass shooters have been millennials.

The last mass shooting when the shooter had such a high hit and kill rate was Charles Whitman another Marine veteran, the Texas University tower mass shooting back in 1966. 41 hits with 17 kills most from hundreds of yards away using bolt action hunting rifles.

But we know what caused Charles Whitman to snap, he had a huge brain tumor in his brain housing group.

But before the tumor was found during the autopsie, the media was blaming that Whitman was a veteran.

 

I'm sort of confused as to why a marine was using a pistol rather than a rifle in addition to his target not making sense if he's upset at liberals.

 

Pistols are for close quarters combat.

(During the Battle of Hue, the weapons of choice by U.S. Marines was the .45 ACP Thompson submachine gun and the 12 ga. shotgun and the ONTOS as a backup.)

USMC M-50 ONTOS

Infantry rifles when in the hands of a rifleman (grunt) are for killing the enemy with one shot, one kill out to 500 yards and beyond.

What are known as assault rifles like the AK-47 are used by sending a large volume of fire into the "beaten zone" hoping you'll get a hit.
Basically you are point aiming.

 

Totalitarianism soon follows.
Call it Nazi gun registration or Marxist gun registration, no difference.

 

Submachine guns are long arms, especially something like a thompson. That would make sense. Here he just used a glock.
I suppose it would make sense if he was going to walk in and hang out first, but he apparently just kicked the door in and started shooting.

I'm not a Marine but I know several and they were all perplexed as to why a pistol was used. Pistols are for getting to your rifle.

 

Pistols are a last resort weapon unless you're a tunnel rat and a .45 ACP M-1911 A1 is the weapon of choice.

If an "Old Corps" Marine who was old schooled, more than likely if he wanted to committee a mass shooting his weapon of choice would be a rifle that can reach out 1,000 yards and touch someone using open iron sights. The Springfield 1903- rifle. One shot...one kill.


Weapon types used in mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and September 2018
Number of weapons used Number of incidents
Handguns 136 84
Rifles 49 41
Shotguns** 29 26
• Weapons used in mass shootings in the U.S. 1982-2018 | Statistic

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From 1999 to 2013
list of the weapons that have been used in mass shootings in the United States since the Columbine High School shooting in Littleton, Colorado on April 20, 1999.

We have identified at least 49 mass shootings in the United States since the Columbine shooting. These are incidents where two or more people were killed, not counting the perpetrator.

Table 1 lists each identified mass shooting incident and the weapons used.


Date

Location

Deaths

Weapon(s) Used

January 15, 2013

Hazard Community and Technical College in Hazard, Kentucky

Two

Unidentified semi-automatic pistol

December 14, 2012

Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

26

Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle, .223 caliber

December 11, 2012

Clackamas Town Center, Oregon

two

AR 15 style rifle, .223 caliber

October 21, 2012

Azana Day Spa in Brookfield, Wisconsin

three

Unidentified semi-automatic handgun, .40 caliber

September 27, 2012

Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, Minnesota

Five

Glock semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber

August 5, 2012

Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin

Six

Springfield XD (M) semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber

July 20, 2012

Movie theater in Aurora, Colorado

12

Two Glock Model 22 semi-automatic pistols, .40 caliber; Smith & Wesson M&P15 AR 15 style rifle, .223 caliber; and Remington Model 870 shotgun, 12 gauge

May 29, 2012

Cafe Racer Espresso in Seattle, Washington

Five

Para-ordnance semi-automatic pistol, .45 caliber

April 6, 2012

Tulsa, Oklahoma

Three

Weapons undetermined

April 2, 2012

Oikos University in Oakland, California

Seven

Unidentified semi-automatic pistol, .45 caliber

February 27, 2012

Chardon High School in Chardon, Ohio

Three

Ruger MK III semi-automatic handgun, .22 caliber, and knife

October 14, 2011

Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California

Eight

Springfield Arms semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber; Heckler & Koch semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber; and Smith & Wesson semi-automatic pistol, .44 magnum caliber

September 6, 2011

IHOP restaurant in Carson City, Nevada

Five

AK47 variant semi-automatic rifle, 7.62x39 caliber

July 7, 2011

Grand Rapids, Michigan

Seven

Glock semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber

May 10, 2011

San Jose State University in San Jose, California

Three

Weapons undetermined

January 8, 2011

Safeway market in Tucson, Arizona

Six

Glock semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber

January 5, 2011

Millard South High School in Omaha, Nebraska

two

Glock pistol, .40-caliber

August 3, 2010

Hartford Beer Distributor in Manchester, Connecticut

Nine

Two Ruger SR9 semi-automatic pistols, 9 mm caliber

February 12, 2010

University of Alabama in Huntsville, Alabama

Three

Unidentified 9 mm handgun

November 5, 2009

Foot Hood army base in Texas

13

FN Five-Seven semi-automatic pistol, 5.57 mm caliber (equivalent of .223 caliber), and Smith & Wesson revolver pistol, .357 magnum caliber

April 3, 2009

Immigration center in Binghamton, New York

13

Beretta 92FS Vertec semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber, and Beretta Px4 semi-automatic pistol, .45 caliber

March 29, 2009

Pinelake Health and Rehab nursing home in Carthage, North Carolina

Eight

Unidentified revolver pistol, .357 magnum caliber; unidentified semi-automatic pistol, 22 magnum caliber; and Winchester 1300 shotgun, 12 gauge

March 24, 2009

Private townhouse in Santa Clara, California

Six

Two unidentified semi-automatic handguns, .45 caliber

December 24, 2008

Private home in Corvina, California

Nine

Four unidentified semi-automatic handguns, 9 mm caliber, and a flamethrower

September 2, 2008

Silver Creek Drive and nearby streets in Alger, Washington

Six

Weapon unidentified

June 25, 2008

Atlantis Plastics in Henderson, Kentucky

Five

Hi-Point .45 ACP pistol, .45-caliber

February 14, 2008

Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, Illinois

Six

Glock Model 19 semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber; Kurz Sig Sauer P232 semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber; and Hi-Point CF380, .380 caliber

February 8, 2008

Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Two

.357 revolver

February 7, 2008

City Hall in Kirkwood, Missouri

Six

Smith & Wesson Model 29 revolver pistol, .44 magnum caliber, and Smith & Wesson semi-automatic pistol, .40 caliber

February 2, 2008

Brookside Marketplace shopping center in Chicago, Illinois

Five

Glock semi-automatic pistol, .40 caliber

December 24, 2007

Private home in Carnation, Washington

Six

Weapon undetermined

December 9, 2007

Youth With a Mission center in Arvada, Colorado and New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado

Four

Bushmaster XM 15 semi-automatic rifle, .223 caliber; Beretta handgun, .40 caliber; and Springfield Armory pistol, 9 mm caliber

December 5, 2007

Westroads Mall in Omaha, Nebraska

Nine

AK-47 semi-automatic rifle, 7.62x39 caliber

August 4, 2007

Delaware State University in Dover, Delaware

Three

Weapon undetermined

April 16, 2007

Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (known as “Virginia Tech”) in Blacksburg, Virginia

32

Walther P22 semi-automatic pistol, .22 caliber, and Glock Model 19 semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber

February 12, 2007

Trolley Square Mall in Salt Lake City, Utah

Five

Mossberg Maverick 88 Field shotgun, 12 gauge, and Smith & Wesson M36 revolver pistol, .38 caliber

October 2, 2006

Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster, Pennsylvania

Five

Springfield XD semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber; Browning BPS pump-action shotgun, 12 gauge; and Ruger M77 bolt-action rifle, .30-06 caliber

March 25, 2006

Capitol Hill in Seattle, Washington

Seven

Winchester 1300 Defender shotgun, 12 gauge, and Ruger P944 semi-automatic pistol, .40 caliber

March 21, 2005

Red Lake Senior High School in Red Lake, Minnesota

Nine

Winchester 1300 Defender shotgun, 12 gauge, and Ruger P944 semi-automatic pistol, .40 caliber

March 12, 2005

Sheraton hotel in Brookfield, Wisconsin

Nine

Baretta 92FS semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber

November 21, 2004

Hunting trip in Birchwood, Wisconsin

Six

Saiga rifle, 7.62x39 caliber

September 24, 2003

Rocori High School in Cold Spring, Minnesota

Two

Unidentified pistol, .22 caliber

August 27, 2003

Windy City Core Supply warehouse in Chicago, Illinois

Six

Walther semi-automatic pistol, .380 caliber

July 8, 2003

Lockheed Martin plant in Meridian, Mississippi

Seven

Winchester 1200 shotgun, 12 gauge, and Ruger Mini-14 semi-automatic rifle, .223 caliber

March 5, 2001

Santana High School in Santee, California

Two

Arminius revolver, .22 caliber

December 26, 2000

Edgewater Technology in Wakefield, Massachusetts

Seven

AK-47 style semi-automatic rifle, 7.62x39 caliber; Winchester 1300 shotgun, 12 gauge; and Retolaza semi-automatic pistol, .32 caliber

September 15, 1999

Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas

Seven

Ruger P85 semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber, and AMT Backup semi-automatic pistol, .380 caliber

July 29, 1999

Momentum Securities and the All-Tech Investment Group in Atlanta, Georgia

12, nine with firearms

Hammer; Colt 1911A1 semi-automatic pistol, .45 caliber; Glock Model 17 semi-automatic pistol, 9 mm caliber; H&R Revolver pistol, .22 caliber; and Raven MP-25 semi-automatic pistol, .25 caliber

April 20, 1999

Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado

13

Savage-Springfield 67H pump-action shotgun, 12 gauge; Hi-Point 995 Carbine, 9 mm caliber; pipe bomb; Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun, 9 mm caliber; and Stevens 311D double-barreled sawed-off shotgun, 12 gauge

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0057.htm