How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

Removing a feeding tube is common for euthanasia. I told you that already

 

Yes, but it is allowing NATURE to take its course!

 

Starving someone is allowing nature to take its course? Can we do that to other patients?

 

The moral argument of abortion. You talk of "authority" but authority is rooted in law. Therefore, it is a LEGAL argument to the abortion debate.

 

You are mixing morality and legality

 

But abstinence IS the wiser option isn't it? Why is it so difficult?

You mean Bertram WAINER right? I did read about him - he's the doctor who successfully campaigned for legal access to abortion in Victoria. What about him?

Certainly I do distinguish between unmarried girls and married. Sex as part of a committed relationship can at least be considered essential to marriage and I can see how it would be more difficult to support the family financially with each additional kid.

 

As I often say to my son "That was your first mistake - Thinking again"

In both cases what is being terminated (assuming no significant brain function) is not a living human.

 

Someone in a coma isn't considered living? Also, you are against abortion once the fetus is living, right?

 

How are you going to enforce abstinence??

I keep asking this question and get no answer

Are you going to give away free chastity belts?

Stand on street corners shouting at young women for being "wanton"?

Get on the internet and tell them they are "naughty"?

Many of the women dying across the world are married women with children - it is not just young unmarried women who have abortions

I n many cases these are women who had no choice in whether or not they even had sex - as in you will be fired unless you have sex with me. Or the pressure that a friends daughter was telling me where some of the young boys were "blackmailing" the young girls into having sex

And if you read ANYTHING about Bertram Wainer he was appalled at the cases of septic abortion he was seeing. When he started investigating it turns out that the illegal abortion racket was being run by the Melbourne underworld and the corruption and bribery went all the way to the top.

Think on that too please - it is not just the young women seeking abortion in unsterile horrific conditions but there is a whole network preying on them

Do you really want that?

 

Someone brain dead is not considered a viable human

Note the term "viable" and someone in a come is no longer an independent legal entity as they are unable to make decisions for themselves

 

What is your problem. I already told you that someone in a coma has "significant brain function".

 

How? When have I made a legal argument?

 

If someone has the ability to eat food naturally, then that is natural. This is not the case with people on life support.

 

"Both" cases - One is obviously abortion, but what is the other case? Also, you are against abortion once the fetus is living, right?

 

Okay, so then why can't I stab and kill someone who is in a coma?

 

When did I say that I want to enforce abstinence? I'm asking you if you think that abstinence is the WISER option. Do you?

I understand that, but even those who are married still have a choice whether or not to have sex at the times that she is able to get pregnant.

Wouldn't the feminist position be that she should simply not give in and stand up to the filthy piece of human waste, sad and sorry excuse for a man that is her boss?

Blackmailing her how?

Why don't non-abortion states in Australia have an underworld illegal abortion racket?

 

Whether or not I approve or diaapprove has no bearing on women getting pregnant and whether or not they abstain. We have SEVEN BILLLIOM humans on this planet - a very large majority of those have the option to abstain

Do you see it working??

And I have said this NUMEROUS times before - and I am sure to you

Even the Catholic Church has had problems with thier priests - so how do you expect the average person do observe this - particularly when they are under pressure NOT to abstain (and that pressure is everything from the sexualisation of advertising and women - especially girls - to peer pressure to overt and oovert just short of rape pressure from men

There is more rape inside marriage than outside - still her fault??

"If you dont have sex with me I will post on face book how you are (insert description) and you (insert made up story)
This "trick" has been going so long that it was part of movie story lines in the seventies ({only without the social media which has escalated the problem)

Abortions were happening LEAGALLY and once it became known what happened in Victoria along with the failure to prosecute Bayliss then there was no market

 

If someone in a coma and on life support is not a living human, how come his heart still beats and his hair and nails still grow?

 

What has that got to do with abortion?

You do not have the authority to withdraw life support

You seem to be under some weird misconceptions about medicine

 

Your post implied that it's OK to kill someone on life support. If this is false, then please explain what you meant by "not a viable human".

 

VIABLE

VIABLE

But I could take a knife and cut out the heart and it would still beat - for quite some time after death to be honest. While it is still oxgenated it will beat - does not need a brain. Same as the nails and you might even have some automatic reflexes on a "spinal arc"

 

Not sure what you are talking about. Anyway, what is your definition for a "living human"?

 

One who is not brain dead.

And THAT has a broader application than you would believe. It does not just rely on a flat EEG but abscences of certain brain stem reflexes

 

So you think it's perfectly fine to kill someone who's brain-dead?

 

There is a difference between living human and a human as an independent legal entity

I made that clear in a previous post but things seem to have become blurred