Repeal and replace

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by ARDY, Nov 24, 2018.

  1. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Apparently in your lexicon " upthread" is synonymous with " I just made it up"
     
  2. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Too funny. Just an excuse to remain in ignorance.
     
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    The defense of private health care is the only way is an ignorant, made up statement. Read AFM for more on that.
     
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    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    I actually don't have a problem paying a slightly higher fee to my provider, to help offset care received by those unable to pay. Different than paying a higher insurance premium, which does not provide the actual care.
     
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    Of course it is, in your limited view. How can one gouge other people if there is no middleman to suck up the gravy?
     
  6. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do your homework. I've provided the reading list.
     
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    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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  8. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Our private health insurance premiums are only ~ 3% higher to pay for healthcare for the uninsured who actually pay ~50% of their retail bills (negotiated insurance payments are much less than retail healthcare rates). Premiums are much higher due to overcharging to cover Medicare and Medicaid losses.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Agreed. I've yet to have anyone on the left actually read (or admit the read) any books I've suggested. I've actually read some of their suggestions although it is rare that anyone from the left suggests a book to read.
     
  10. AFM

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    Exactly. And it is much better to make healthcare decisions based on individual need and pay for it out of pocket (from a Health Savings Account) than ask "Is this covered?". I've done that myself and received ~ 40% discount on services by paying out of pocket because the provider did not have to incur the overhead of dealing with insurance companies.
     
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    Health Insurance premiums took a major hit immediately before the PPACA penalties passed SCOTUS as a 'tax', some as high as 40% (that I am aware of) because the PPACA capped increases.

    The 'negotiated rates' are a joke... like a retail sale, jack the prices before negotiating them down, we saved you some money. Remove the administrative burden of insurance processors in medical offices, remove the insurance companies as being required, and you will see some interesting price drops.
     
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    We are watching those on the right stating that they will only read Fake Alt Right Media than all the material available.
     
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    Following the GOP's prolonged boasting and ensuing display of impotence, with healthcare by far the most important issue for Americans in the 2018 election, Democrats now have the opportunity to allow Trump to achieve his promised plan:
    After Trump®Care, the promised Trump Infrastructure Renewal for America!
     
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    You also pay for it through doctor fees, hospital fees and government taxes. Better just to have a single payer system that works.
     
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    As usual, the alt left "people" respond to no one and post flamebait content.
     
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    Yes. I actually did think your constant refrain of " upthread" where you can't actually provide evidence was a confession of your desire to remain ignorant of the facts. Thanks for the confirmation!
     
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    And back to my statement.... I don't have a problem paying higher fees, when people actually receive the care. Giving it to the government is flushing it away, IMO. No, a single payer system is handing money to the government tom piss away. More employees to make a mess out of it, along with a host load of bureaucrats that couldn't find their butts with both hands and a mirror.

    Paying for it at the point of service is hugely more efficient.
     
  18. AFM

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    Your education is not my responsibility. If you have no initiative and curiosity there is nothing I can do about that.
     
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    The low government "fees"can only be sustained by rationing. That's the clear lesson from the UK and Canada. The other lesson is the huge bureaucracy which develop siphoning off tax dollars not used for healthcare. The only thing that bureaucracies are good at is growing. Reforms which make healthcare recipients consumers who pay directly for routine healthcare needs is the way to go. Keep the government (which also runs the various DMV's across the US) out of it.
     
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    Removing the tax cap, yes, that is essential. Not so sure on the means test. What are your proposals on that?
     
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    It’s about time we had a very critical look at the ACA to fix some of the issues and shore up the damage inflicted by the GOP and trump. We will prolly have to wait to after trump gets the boot in 2020, but no reason the House can’t start the process.
     
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    Removing the tax cap reduces economic growth. Privatization results in better benefits with no government spending.
     
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    ObamaCare is unfixable. It’s in the predicted death spiral.
     
  24. Docbroke

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    Upon further review, there is no income cap on the Medicare tax. So it will need an increased tax rate. I’m good with that if we lower the age for eligibility.
     
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    Of course it’s not unfixable. The death spiral is self inflicted by the GOP and trump.
     

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