Mueller should submit his report soon, Trump is getting dangerous

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As the UK has warned the US by not lifting the sanctions will upset the aluminum market. Two things could happen, Russia could privatize the companies thereby taking them out of any control by the global community. Two, the market could move to China. Diripaska has to divest 50% of his interest as part of the requirement.
     
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    It was self explanatory

    You know your accusations lose all credibility when you post that, a joke, as evidence of Trump/Russian collusion.
     
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    You seem confused I gave the link to his appearance and his statement.

    "Speaking to host George Stephanopoulos Sunday on “This Week,” Karl said that he’s been told by sources close to the investigation that the report into Russian interference in the 2016 election and any possible collusion between President Trump's campaign and Moscow is “almost certain to be anti-climactic.”

    "There have been expectations that have been building, of course, for over a year," Karl told Stephanopoulos. "But people who are closest to what Mueller has been doing, interacting with the special counsel, caution me that this report is almost certain to be anti-climactic.""
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mu...n-to-be-anti-climactic-sources-tell-abcs-karl
     
  4. Sandy Shanks

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    Unless, they are from Russia, why does Trump have any fans in the U.S.? Good question, huh?

    Further proof that Trump is a Putin puppet is his surrender order in Syria. He wanted to leave the region to Russia and her ally, Iran.

    If you live in the U.S. and you support Trump, in view of all this, please explain why. Because he is great for the economy? Trump has nothing to do with the economy. If anything, according to Putin's wishes, Trump is endangering our economy with his harsh tariffs and trade war with China.

    If you support Trump, please answer my request. Why? Do you know?
     
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    Your posts are boring and repetitive.
    Trump will remain your president until at least January 2021 and there's nothing you can do about it.
     
  6. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Everything you say about Trump is just attacking his style. I know your motivations ....but I won't voice them again because you like to report me. You attack his style yet of course you won't mention his accomplishments. I admit he is not a slick, tell me what I want to hear in a style that doesn't offend, politician. Yet you can't even concede that his "father" didn't help him one iota in cleaning HRS's clock in a National election that overcame insurmountable odds. Actually, it never surprised me.....I've known a ton of people that have been sick and tired of status quo, establishment deep swamp government for years. Now we have a man that is bringing us results, upturning this government end over end, gotten rid of corruption in the FBI, and has Nanci Pelosi just going nuts! Not only would she like to overturn his election....she is frothing at the mouth trying to send out the message "THIS MUST NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!" Step out of line with the establishment there is going to be hell to pay!
     
  7. Sandy Shanks

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    With Giuliani as his lawyer, Trump doesn't have a chance. Trump has a big mouth. The best witness against Trump is Trump himself. Giuliani has a big mouth. He is the worst lawyer on the planet. Trump him hired him to be his mouth piece. He could not have picked a worse one. That was evident last night.

    Giuliani, didn’t do his client any favors during a CNN interview on Wednesday night in which he conceded that Trump’s former campaign chair, Paul Manafort, may have colluded with Russians.

    Giuliani made that concession while being grilled by host Chris Cuomo about a new revelation that special counsel Robert Mueller believes Manafort shared “polling data” that was “related to the 2016 presidential campaign” with Konstantin Kilimnik, a former colleague of Manafort’s who allegedly had ties to Russian intelligence.

    To Cuomo's shock, in his attempt to distance Trump from his former campaign chair, Giuliani claimed, “I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign ... I have not. I said the president of the United States.

    Which, of course, is not true. Both Trump and Giuliani have said there was no collusion ... period, no collusion between the campaign team and Russia.

    Now Giuliani was forced to concede there was collusion.

    There are two legal principles at play here because Giuliani and Trump both claim Trump knows nothing regarding collaboration between his campaign team and Russia.

    The first is, Trump would never do the dirty work himself. Picture Trump himself providing polling data to a GRU agent. Picture Trump attending the Trump Tower meeting with four Russian operatives instead of his son, son-in-law, and campaign manager. Never happen, right? He orders others to do the dirty work for him, foolishly thinking that gives him the cover of deniability.

    The second is, Trump, not unlike the captain of a ship, is responsible for everything that happens onboard the ship of state, meaning, in this case, the activities of his campaign team. The idea that his son, son-in-law, campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, future NSA, and his foreign affairs analyst could be working with the Russians -- and we know they were -- and Trump is absolved of responsibility is positively ludicrous.

    Put another way, Trump is screwed.
     
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    I am not attacking his style. That is ludicrous. I am attacking the substance of what he does, like shutting the government down for a month with no end in sight.

    "Now we have a man that is bringing us results, upturning this government end over end ..." On that we can agree, and he is driving everyone nuts, including his good buddy, Senator Graham, not just Pelosi. It goes to the substance of your thinking, that you think that is a good thing.

    Of course, I have known that all along. The reason Trump's fans voted for him is they wanted to "upturn this government end over end." They voted for him because they wanted chaos. Aw, hell, they don't even deny it. Like you, they are actually proud of their accomplishment.
     
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    Lindsay Graham, though he has done well recently, is no standard bearer for Conservatism. He was b-buds with Juan McCain and a member of the "infamous gang of eight". We watch him as close as any poisonous snake.
     
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    They voted for him because they wanted chaos. Aw, hell, they don't even deny it. Like you, they are actually proud of their accomplishment.

    Graham is Trump's golfing buddy and a good friend. Graham is one of Trump's staunches supporters in the Senate. He and McConnell make sure nothing gets past the Senate if it upsets Trump. That includes attempts reopen the government.
     
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    Sandy, you are responding to yourself. It may be time for counseling.
     
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    You are making all this stuff up because you can't use sources. Your statements are too screwy. You can't find support in respected news sources.

    First off, forget the Democratic connection. You got nothing.

    Forget the "all foreign governments do this" argument. I believe American intelligence that states Russia interfered in our election on Trump's behalf. I am shocked that you don't accept American intell. Why is that? You don't like America?

    Then you use the black is white defense. A crime is not a crime.

    Then you got confused. Manafort disclosed internal polling data useful to a political campaign. It does not become public.

    "Trump fired Comey for numerous reasons and it wasn't to stop the investigation." That was a real good one. You don't believe Trump? One day after the firing, Trump told the Russian foreign minister and the Russian ambassador in the Oval Office
    “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job. I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

    Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.”

    Then, to a national television audience, he told Lester Holt that he was thinking of the Russian investigation when he fired Comey.

    Next time read up on what you are talking about so you do not make a fool of yourself.
     
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    Effective isn't it. Once again, you don't challenge a thing I said. You focus your attention on me.

    It may be time for counseling.
     
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    Your posts are boring and repetitive.
    Trump will remain your president until at least January 2021 and there's nothing you can do about it.
     
  15. yabberefugee

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    Trump is very wise. Keep your friends close.....and your enemies even closer.
     
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    Speaker Nancy Pelosi canceled a planned trip to visit troops in Afghanistan Friday, after -- her office alleged in a statement -- the White House leaked the details of the congressional delegation's commercial plane travel.

    "In the middle of the night, the State Department's Diplomatic Security Service provided an updated threat assessment detailing that the President announcing this sensitive travel had significantly increased the danger to the delegation and to the troops, security, and other officials supporting the trip," Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said. "This morning, we learned that the administration had leaked the commercial travel plans as well."

    Unreal.
     
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    What is unreal is the accusations levied by Buzzfeed, that Muelers office just denied. You attack from many angles but your deceit is being exposed more and more!
     
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    1. No one disputes that the Clintons had numerous contacts with the Russians with payment for Bill's speaking and numerous contributions to the Clinton foundation whilst the Uranium One deal was on the table.

    2.They do, look at the Chinese with Bill Clinton.

    3. What crime exactly? There's no evidence of collusion, the payments to his mistresses don't constitute campaign finance violations and firing Comey was completely justified.

    4. Internal polling data, private information but only to the Trump campaign who they can share with whomever they want?

    5. Trump's firing Comey didn't make a jot of difference to the investigation, it's still ongoing, Trump had numerous reasons to fire him and his decision was backed and even suggested by all Comey's superiors.

    Launching an inquiry on Trump based on a folder paid for by the DNC, assembled by a man with blatant anti-Trump bias and containing many exaggerations if not plain inaccuracies.
    Deciding for himself to shut down the Hilary emails investigation without ever referring it to the Grand Jury or DOJ, an unprecedented move. Especially as Hilary had constantly changed her account and deleted thousands of emails which she had been ordered to surrender (maybe it's not Trump who obstructed justice?). Employing senior agents on the case with blatant anti-Trump bias and Senior Director McCabe whose wife was standing as a DNC candidate backed financially by the Clintons, never recused himself and Comey never forced him to until the scandal broke AFTER the decision was made to end the investigation. Furthermore computer records show that Comey actually drafted the letter closing the investigation BEFORE Hilary had been interviewed.
    Never actually pursuing any charges over the whole Uranium One affair, despite plentiful evidence to do so, Congress forced the investigation upon them. Leaking government documents to the press, granting immunity to Clinton staff in return for their testimony then not requiring it then destroying their computers?
    Trump had EVERY right to fire Comey.
     
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    This is a lie. She "cancelled" it after Trump pulled her ride and she didn't want to fly coach.
     
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    My response to that is contained in a thread entitled, "Is Trump guilty of suborning perjury?" I won't address that issue here.
     
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    Quit wasting your time and mine on tired, old Trump conspiracy theories.

    You are showing signs of sheer desperation. Trump is in big trouble. Even his own lawyer admits now there was collaboration between Trump's campaign team and the Russians. He had to. There is considerable evidence that has become public. Mueller knows a thousand times more.
     
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    Likewise....I just respond to attacks on my President and that is related. There is a trend to your accusations there have been so many. This shows a trend for following a narrative put forth and regarding it as truth....as you have been doing.
     
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    These aren't conspiracy theories, these are facts, why was Hilary given a free ride and yet people like Flynn were nailed to wall? There is no evidence implicating Trump in wrongdoing and we don't know what Mueller knows. But surely if he had anything he would have acted by now.
     
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    1. I do not actually believe the Uranium One decision was influenced by Russian money but I think it warranted investigation, so why is Trump under such scrutiny and Hilary given a free pass?
    2. Tyrannies do it, democracies don't, you speak as if this was a unique case, it wasn't as Chinagate proved.
    3. That's circular thinking, "Oh I think it's a crime so it must be a crime". Nothing so far qualifies as a criminal offence.
    4. Yes, internal polling data which he can release to whomever he wants?
    5. Yes because Comey abused his authority greatly, by firing him Trump no longer had to keep looking over his shoulder.

    Maybe YOU should know what you're talking about before you try to bluster your way past the facts?
     
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    If you didn't post old Trump conspiracy theories, you'd be silent.
     

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