No deal: Pelosi rejects Trump’s offer to legalize 'Dreamers' for wall money

Sure, but apparently they were more important than the "national emergency" we are dealing with.

 

False. Trump wants to waste an enormous sum while not fixing the problems we have. We need a massive increase in port of entry security, visa enforcement and only after those two comes border security. All three are important but the first two are where the hard drugs and most of the illegal aliens come from.

Problem with Trump is he is an ignorant fool who wants to build a $5.7 billion dollar personal prestige project. A project that will not solve the critical problems.

The Democrats should not accept short term concessions against such an enormous and ineffective waste.

I despise Pelosi but if she is the tool to upset Trump's ego parade, I'll take what I can get.

 

Ooooo... don't say Trump and parade in the same sentence..... too soon....

 

3 years. 3 years for dems to work with Republicans to settle the issue.

But dems declined and now they will be deported.

Its a shame that dems led them on all this time.

 

You can speak about the moral high ground until you are blue.

The fact is Trumps proposal was of a series of practical reforms.

And dems rejected it BEFORE he even made them.

One day, dems may care about Americans more than they hate Trump.

But that day isn't today.

 

Highly unlikely, at least in 2019

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-it-won-t-hear-trump-s-daca-appeal-this-term

 

No, they can't see the obvious.

They are blinded in rage because Orange man bad.

 

This of course is what the media should be asking dems.

And this of course is what Dems should be stating to all Americans.

But they aren't.

 

Please. We can see the blind partisanship of dems here-Pelosi rejected Trumps reforms BEFORE he offered them.

We all remember Kavanagh.

And it will happen again when Ginsberg is replaced.

So as you can see, the left complaining about partisanship is quite rich.

 

Ahh, here it comes again.


Senate Republican Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who has been on the sidelines since before Christmas, signaled an effort to raise pressure on Democrats by promising to put Trump's proposal on the Senate floor next week. Previously, McConnell said he would only move on bills that had the support of the President and Democrats.
The proposal McConnell will put on the floor this week is more than just what the president laid out today -- including some pieces designed to put Democrats in a more difficult position.
According to a source with direct knowledge, some of what will be in the final package includes:

• All seven outstanding appropriations bills, as agreed upon in the House-Senate conference process -- this includes the Department of Homeland Security measure that has been at the center of the entire shutdown.
• Asylum law changes -- one that would create in-country asylum processing for Central America minors, and another that would give the administration the power to immediately deport any minor who crossed the border without going through the in-country process.
• Extension of the Violence Against Women Act through the end of September.
• Extension of the EB-5 visa program, E-Verify program that allows employers to confirm employee work eligibility, the Conrad 30 program for international medical school graduates, Special Immigrant Religious Workers program, and H2B returning worker authority for DHS, all through the end of the fiscal year.

"I commend the President for his leadership in proposing this bold solution to reopen the government, secure the border, and take bipartisan steps toward addressing current immigration issues," McConnell said in a statement.

 

Id be pretty pissed at the politicians who allowed me to stay.

 

He can, and if dems keep it up he will.

I realize you are all hopped up on CNN but its true.

 

The most frightening thing about this government shutdown is that climate change scientists are probably not working. This is almost too terrible to contemplate.

 

It's not a "big beautiful wall" he has come down on his demands, how much have the Democrats come up? Balls in their court, Trump was elected President and the Republicans picked up seats in the Senate, those voters have a voice too. As long as the Democrats remain intransigent the government will be shutdown.

And BTW support is GROWING

"President Trump appears to be winning the war of public opinion concerning the wall.

At least that is according to a new ABC News Poll that shows these quick stats:

Last Year This Time: 34% pro-wall, 63% anti-wall

Now: 42% pro-wall, 54% anti-wall

That’s a 24% increase in year-over-year stats, and I expect it will cross 50% support soon!"
https://welovetrump.com/2019/01/13/...pport-for-trumps-border-wall-growing-quickly/

Poll here
https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-abc-news-poll-jan-8-11-2019/2354/

So you might want to not base your claims on public support anymore.

 

Crank up some actual large scale dreamer deportation and see if the libs don't cave toot de suite.

 

Walls by themselves do nothing. A wall is a force multiplier, not a force in and of itself. The purpose is to add a layer of greater difficulty. In doing this anyone attempting to cross over is forced to slow down, to expend greater effort, to expose themselves to detection.

For a wall to be a force multiplier there must be adequate force to multiply. That means guards, patrols, sensors, watchtowers, technology both basic and advanced and layers of it all where most appropriate.

The Berlin Wall was not very effective at first. Only after the forces were built up sufficiently did it become extremely effective. Not because it was a wall but because it was sufficiently staffed with guards. Evil purpose in that case, but also clear proof that a wall without enough guards is rapidly turned to rubble. Which is what happened when the wall came down, when the guards were told to stop shooting people.Suddenly that deadly barrier that destroyed so many lives was easily broken down. today you find the best examples of it in museums.

The Great Wall of China, which is actually many different walls in different places built over centuries, has historically been extremely successful and a miserable failure. Why is because over the long history of all those walls there were times it was well guarded and times it was not. When it was, it worked. It multiplied the effectiveness of the forces guarding it. In times when it was poorly staffed, invading armies were not deterred.

But all this is besides the point.

$5.7 billion for a wall will not stop the hard drugs. The hard drugs do not cross the border where walls would be built. They come in at designated ports of entry. In cars and trucks and shipping containers. By commercial trucking and railroad and ships and planes. Marijuana gets backpacked over the border, but not the heroin and meth and other hard drugs.

$5.7 billion for a wall will not stop the illegal aliens. That problem is mostly people who enter legally on various types of visas and never leave. Spending money on visa enforcement would be far more effective on illegal aliens than spending $5.7 billion on a wall. We still have illegals crossing the border but the numbers have made a huge drop. Today we have a big problem with legal aliens entering on asylum requests, which is lawful under our laws but we are hopelessly unprepared for all those refugees fleeing the madness to the south.

I do believe we need a massive upgrade in security at Ports of Entry, Visa enforcement and yes on all our borders too. Unlike Trump, I want to see a detailed plan made by people who know what they are talking about. Spending $5.7 billion on Trump's campaign promise to satisfy his base? To aid his next campaign?

No, that's not security, that's inflated ego politics.

 

Which even if it were true would be 100%+ to what Pelosi is offering which is nothing. The extra money for port of entry monitoring systems, the extra agents, the extra judges and taking the DACA kids and TPS refugees immediately out of danger while a longer term solution can be found. Why would you oppose ALL that simply over $3.4B in additional barriers at strategic locations.

 

Cuz 2020.
They'll overplay their hand

 

The Trumpsters know that they are on the losing side of this debate.

And they're rapidly running out of excuses.

The post you responded to is an excellent case in point.

 

Is that what your talking points memo recommends saying?

 

Looks like it is time to start deporting "dreamers".

 

"...based on fear and bigotry..."

Good description of the women's march; although I would add 'hate'.

 

By now their offices are probably under water.

The planet has a fever and such.

 

Yep. And even Trump knows it. Not much more to do now except watch.

 

So dems should just trust the liar in chief? The liar who changes his mind as often as faux tv runs advertising?